{"id":"q46d806ec9c16b7413137","batch_id":"batch-000150","seq":453,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-24T20:02:32.285Z","text":"还有一个非常值得注意的变化，就是人数：\n\n2023年12月：3,345人。 \n\n后来政府ECF 223说Geyer声称代表的已经是超过5,000人。\n\n到了2025年4月7日 ECF 676，Geyer声称代表约 6,575名HEX members/claimants。这份申请已经明确把救济写成：\n\nrestitution、ancillary forfeiture以及/或者remission。 \n\n而到了ECF 712，他又提到一份 6,491人的sealed master roster。\n\n所以这篇文章如果以后真写，我认为最强的标题方向其实不是：\n\n《Geyer如何背叛联盟》\n\n这种很容易被对方说成情绪文章。\n\n真正厉害的是：\n\n《从3,345名“第三方产权人”到6,000多名“remission claimants”：Geyer代理权限究竟什么时候改变了？》\n\n然后只问四个问题：\n\n第一，谁在2023年把Geyer介绍给HEX客户？\n\n第二，当时告诉客户聘他到底是为了什么？\n\n第三，2023年的原始授权具体允许他做什么？\n\n第四，什么时候、通过什么新的知情同意，授权范围从“向政府追回我的资产”扩展到了restitution/remission/victim体系？\n\n目前我查到的公开法院材料里，前三个问题已经有很多证据，第四个问题反而是最大的空洞。\n\n而这个“缺口”，可能才是你说的“此地无银三百两”真正应该抓的地方。\n\n我接下来最想继续替你挖的是2023年9月26日HEX发给客户的原始邮件 + 2023年12月Geyer registration/client agreement原文 + himalayarestoration.com当时的注册页面/宣传材料。这三样一旦对上，基本就能回答“联盟当初到底怎么把Geyer塞进来的”。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46d806ec9c16b7413137","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000150/pages/3","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000150/pages/3","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46d806ec9c16b7413137","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46d806ec9c16b7413137/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q46d806ec9c16b7413137","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qfeaf5fcbfed7ada2bc11","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-24T20:00:38.524Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfeaf5fcbfed7ada2bc11"},{"id":"qfe437c5ceee56e4fcff6","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-24T20:01:13.955Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe437c5ceee56e4fcff6"},{"id":"q0bbb37d7007dc9976b24","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-24T20:01:53.837Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0bbb37d7007dc9976b24"},{"id":"qd389ddf789f5c6636422","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-24T20:04:49.510Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd389ddf789f5c6636422"},{"id":"q0601e82b2b4592191291","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-24T20:07:12.411Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0601e82b2b4592191291"},{"id":"qa5253d62c8b19882bfdb","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-24T20:07:35.502Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa5253d62c8b19882bfdb"}],"parent_message":null}