{"id":"q4ba6b5f3224b3be338c9","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":8,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T05:07:50.653Z","text":"这个无所谓","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa0edad4e04b1a6932c5b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4ba6b5f3224b3be338c9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0edad4e04b1a6932c5b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4ba6b5f3224b3be338c9","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4ba6b5f3224b3be338c9/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q4ba6b5f3224b3be338c9","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qf0c0b3cf630dce89607e","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T05:07:02.760Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf0c0b3cf630dce89607e"},{"id":"qb6e232a2fd8bc69363de","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T05:07:24.760Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb6e232a2fd8bc69363de"},{"id":"qa0edad4e04b1a6932c5b","speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-28T05:07:33.326Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0edad4e04b1a6932c5b"},{"id":"qc8f368a8d5ac2c9555cc","speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-28T05:08:56.134Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8f368a8d5ac2c9555cc"},{"id":"q8be7d3d70b18c1400992","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T05:09:36.244Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8be7d3d70b18c1400992"},{"id":"q569ed2852c71160132c1","speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-28T05:09:41.844Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q569ed2852c71160132c1"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qa0edad4e04b1a6932c5b","speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-28T05:07:33.326Z","text":"Yes, it is possible to convict someone for fraud even without specific, identified victims who have suffered a demonstrable loss. While the prosecution needs to prove intent to defraud, the success of the scheme or actual financial harm to a victim is not always a prerequisite for a conviction.   这是我查的ai，不保对不在我知识范围（但我知道有些罪刑确实甚至不需要具体受害人存在比如诱奸孩童）各位可以查下自己的ai确定下对不对。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0edad4e04b1a6932c5b"}}