{"id":"q4be7abc2c41e606d2901","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":685,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-14T06:25:58.091Z","text":"理论上是可以让检方说明为什么郭对财产有所有权。但是检方只需要说这是陪审团定罪后法院已经认定的犯罪资金，所以政府就可以没收。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"q963453db72c88fdcd38a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4be7abc2c41e606d2901","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q963453db72c88fdcd38a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135/pages/4","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135/pages/4","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4be7abc2c41e606d2901","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4be7abc2c41e606d2901/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q4be7abc2c41e606d2901","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q68fa490673cfad5182df","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-14T06:13:07.534Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q68fa490673cfad5182df"},{"id":"qd3c1a90b581f037c37cb","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-14T06:14:03.670Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd3c1a90b581f037c37cb"},{"id":"q963453db72c88fdcd38a","speaker":"0x_***","date":"2026-07-14T06:16:24.302Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q963453db72c88fdcd38a"},{"id":"q2b5557743ef628810cfc","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-14T06:28:18.482Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2b5557743ef628810cfc"},{"id":"q8eb4b15a40856d38f7ea","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-14T06:31:38.668Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8eb4b15a40856d38f7ea"},{"id":"q7676eb670714d4893254","speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-14T06:55:04.329Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7676eb670714d4893254"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q963453db72c88fdcd38a","speaker":"0x_***","date":"2026-07-14T06:16:24.302Z","text":"但是现在我有standing要求检方证明没收的合理性。法官判决没收的根据是优势证据。我提出异议仅凭优势证据就判断没收不合理，然后在辩论是否优势证据成立的时候，不就是获得了重新审理的机会？","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q963453db72c88fdcd38a"}}