{"id":"q4ee8d2b41f4c61f0c9fb","batch_id":"batch-000012","seq":19,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-01T11:01:51.266Z","text":"到今天还有这么多人在爆料革命的一个主要原因就是七哥说的一直在被事实验证，我们虽然无知，但都不傻，没有这个，七哥不可能有今天的影响力。至于伪类的事情，不仅现在，你从17年开始看，所有那些力挺七哥的人，哪个不是先挺后砸，造成这个情况的原因很多，但主要的就是中共的布局和不断的渗透腐化。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"qd282c13f5719bb435692","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4ee8d2b41f4c61f0c9fb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd282c13f5719bb435692","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000012","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000012","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4ee8d2b41f4c61f0c9fb","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4ee8d2b41f4c61f0c9fb/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q4ee8d2b41f4c61f0c9fb","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q40b96fb9f646fdb0333a","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-01T10:30:20.772Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40b96fb9f646fdb0333a"},{"id":"q8b76503a5fa2bfbe0ba5","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-01T10:38:35.283Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b76503a5fa2bfbe0ba5"},{"id":"qd282c13f5719bb435692","speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-01T10:46:53.634Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd282c13f5719bb435692"},{"id":"qd4872b1ca45658ca9465","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-01T11:03:41.407Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4872b1ca45658ca9465"},{"id":"qe2ac8bac7b66ce945874","speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-01T11:10:16.035Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe2ac8bac7b66ce945874"},{"id":"qbefaaf9867504fa7de25","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-01T11:15:03.410Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbefaaf9867504fa7de25"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qd282c13f5719bb435692","speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-01T10:46:53.634Z","text":"我觉得每个真战友在思考和推理当下任何事时必须认清一个很重要、但是经常被忽略的基础事实：老郭说的每句话都是不能直接采信的，除非你亲眼见到了明确事实。否则，你只能去分析他为什么这么说：是在陈述事实？还是反述事实？还是布局一环？对某人的背书是真、还是“知蒋干用蒋干”？对某一个计划的大肆褒奖如何不可或缺，还是这是更大的布局的一个幌子“之前说的全当我放屁”？我这个论调很“反动”“反智”，估计女性真战友看到这个论点直接就不可能与抛这种论调的人进行任何不带立场的沟通了。但如果静心仔细想想，应该能理解这个道理。他说的任何事，不管你觉得多么理所当然，比如郭在中共官商体系时是亿万富翁，出逃初期中共对他进行了不小力度的舆论打压，都是可以核实的没问题，但出逃后说自己掌握多少钱，多大影响力，你都不能去相信，必须等检验；因为令战友觉得更加不可思议的事层出不穷。扪心自问，真战友有几个能在三五年前想到，郭的所有骨干有职衔的战友都是伪类？郭能让一个伪类去宣读联邦宣言？这些绝对彼时彼刻看来天方夜谭，谁这么说“百分之百”是伪类、灭爆之流。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd282c13f5719bb435692"}}