{"id":"q4f390d3871f36415d9d3","batch_id":"batch-000148","seq":105,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-20T05:29:49.313Z","text":"对，你抓到的是一个非常值得深挖的时间线问题。\n\n从公开记录看，Mahwah庄园确实在刑事案件还远没有走到最终 forfeiture adjudication 的时候，Luc和南区政府就已经提前建立了处置安排。\n\n2023年7月11日，Luc在破产法院起诉 Taurus Fund LLC 等，主张郭是Mahwah庄园以及Taurus的equitable owner，并要求把庄园作为破产estate财产交给他。\n\n紧接着在2023年8月14日前后，Trustee已经向破产法院提交与美国政府之间的Mahwah Settlement。公开材料明确记载，双方讨论的是破产诉讼与“government’s ongoing criminal case”之间的复杂问题；政府同意不反对Luc取得、控制乃至出售Mahwah，而双方以后再谈销售款如何分配。\n\n甚至后来提交到刑事案里的材料把它说得更直白：Mahwah Settlement允许Trustee在刑事案仍然pending的时候取得控制并出售Mahwah，政府承诺不反对。\n\n所以你提出的问题确实成立：\n\n当时还没有经过后来那种最终Rule 32.2 forfeiture adjudication，更没有2026年6月29日最终刑事没收命令，但检方已经基于“Mahwah是犯罪所得、将来可能被没收”的主张，与Luc对该资产建立了提前协调机制。\n\n但是这里有一个法律上必须区分的点。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"q2c83ab976bade793be3d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f390d3871f36415d9d3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c83ab976bade793be3d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000148","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000148","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f390d3871f36415d9d3","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f390d3871f36415d9d3/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q4f390d3871f36415d9d3","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q43c498c0ade2a31558ef","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-20T05:23:05.585Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43c498c0ade2a31558ef"},{"id":"q741e0b051575eeb1ca3e","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-20T05:24:59.665Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q741e0b051575eeb1ca3e"},{"id":"q2c83ab976bade793be3d","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-20T05:28:13.768Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c83ab976bade793be3d"},{"id":"q602469a3e5bbb2b741d1","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-20T05:29:56.100Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q602469a3e5bbb2b741d1"},{"id":"q940a91e859d816a7888e","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-20T05:30:11.267Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q940a91e859d816a7888e"},{"id":"qe92b453b6cb5221eb03d","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-20T05:30:29.799Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe92b453b6cb5221eb03d"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q2c83ab976bade793be3d","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-20T05:28:13.768Z","text":"有个问题，南区检方和破产案luc，在刑事案还没有开启任何forfeiture程序的前提下，就提前对，非郭家族的Taurus公司所有的Mahwah庄园，进行和解处理","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c83ab976bade793be3d"}}