{"id":"q4f8dd27fd1850525729e","batch_id":"batch-000016","seq":439,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-18T15:33:18.099Z","text":"没收的目的是把钱退给受害者，853n介入的是不认为是受害者，但也可以要回投资吧，或者说保住投资","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"qab3eb6cf1a77525b622f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f8dd27fd1850525729e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab3eb6cf1a77525b622f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000016/pages/3","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000016/pages/3","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f8dd27fd1850525729e","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f8dd27fd1850525729e/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q4f8dd27fd1850525729e","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q4847593df6c15b24848d","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-18T15:29:49.768Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4847593df6c15b24848d"},{"id":"q37d21722537c10b66cbb","speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-18T15:29:59.344Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q37d21722537c10b66cbb"},{"id":"q92b2de5ff6c98bb5d7d4","speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-18T15:32:05.488Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92b2de5ff6c98bb5d7d4"},{"id":"qb140172ee28a9b0267a0","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-18T15:34:48.926Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb140172ee28a9b0267a0"},{"id":"qb50b360c843d9ef8dcc7","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-18T15:35:34.745Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb50b360c843d9ef8dcc7"},{"id":"q562340a08bf3c1cdf40d","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-18T15:36:09.572Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q562340a08bf3c1cdf40d"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qab3eb6cf1a77525b622f","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-18T15:27:22.396Z","text":"受害者（Victims）是要赔偿的，无辜第三方（innocent property owners) 是反对没收的","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab3eb6cf1a77525b622f"}}