{"id":"q4f9370c37a945d20bd7d","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":487,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-28T04:34:09.953Z","text":"不仅是这样。对于农场借贷gclub,和喜交易所，如果这部分赢了，不可能就赢的那一个人被认为有所有权，而是所有投资者都有所有权。财产根本没有被转移。检方的叙事就崩塌。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"qeffed7101aa89abb81d9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f9370c37a945d20bd7d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeffed7101aa89abb81d9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074/pages/3","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074/pages/3","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f9370c37a945d20bd7d","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f9370c37a945d20bd7d/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q4f9370c37a945d20bd7d","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qd5e89044298842273da5","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T04:33:20.588Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd5e89044298842273da5"},{"id":"q568072c7368f09d498e5","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T04:33:46.691Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q568072c7368f09d498e5"},{"id":"q231c701a013054494a74","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-28T04:33:57.193Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q231c701a013054494a74"},{"id":"q6ec9dcdc3f693ec830df","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T04:35:39.739Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ec9dcdc3f693ec830df"},{"id":"q3650780474221d27eb1c","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T04:36:07.955Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3650780474221d27eb1c"},{"id":"q60ecae1240fbdcc6d78c","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T04:36:36.965Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q60ecae1240fbdcc6d78c"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qeffed7101aa89abb81d9","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T04:25:26.495Z","text":"这个案子，如果有853n赢了，或者上诉赢了，也许对郭案量刑有好的影响，因为那部分钱就被排除在没收之外了？","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeffed7101aa89abb81d9"}}