{"id":"q50ec9d1a97bc284ada60","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":311,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T03:33:26.011Z","text":"托雷斯说了联盟农场是犯罪工具","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"q2db209880b05a2821a56","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50ec9d1a97bc284ada60","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2db209880b05a2821a56","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017/pages/2","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017/pages/2","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50ec9d1a97bc284ada60","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50ec9d1a97bc284ada60/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q50ec9d1a97bc284ada60","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qd396077d3a112b54ebeb","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T02:13:34.919Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd396077d3a112b54ebeb"},{"id":"q2db209880b05a2821a56","speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-21T03:13:18.089Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2db209880b05a2821a56"},{"id":"q482d47fab57ddee635a4","speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-21T03:14:15.291Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q482d47fab57ddee635a4"},{"id":"qc2e770cfeb088d0332e6","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T03:33:34.545Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2e770cfeb088d0332e6"},{"id":"q26be6decacaea00ffe8e","speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-21T03:43:17.328Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26be6decacaea00ffe8e"},{"id":"qa07dc435ab8208a87aa6","speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-21T04:02:19.065Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa07dc435ab8208a87aa6"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q2db209880b05a2821a56","speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-21T03:13:18.089Z","text":"这个里面 螺丝哥表达的意思我懂，但是不是概念有些问题？能不能提醒一下他？怕被人拿来说事，说反联盟；\n指控对象不应该是联盟农场，而应该是联盟委员会+农场主，也就是签合同的对象！\n\n战友组成农场、农场组成联盟 \n联盟农场是社区、是实体\n委员会+农场主是物业、是法人；\n战友是业主、是投资者\n\n业主 组成 社区    物业是 中介\n\n投资者 投资到 实体    法人是 中介\n\n犯法的是 法人 是中介（农场主们，也就是签合同的人）\n实体（联盟农场）永远在 实体是无罪的 罪一定是具体到个人！","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2db209880b05a2821a56"}}