{"id":"q522844b49eee1ca22d1f","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":380,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-18T07:16:25.986Z","text":"可不是说损失为零可以判20","edited":false,"reply_to":"q419c432ddaa6ea7cb933","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q522844b49eee1ca22d1f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q419c432ddaa6ea7cb933","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q522844b49eee1ca22d1f","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q522844b49eee1ca22d1f/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q522844b49eee1ca22d1f","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qe08b7e8b78392aa310e2","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-18T06:54:12.897Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe08b7e8b78392aa310e2"},{"id":"q2dce2a1ef03675e34cbc","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-18T07:15:34.189Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2dce2a1ef03675e34cbc"},{"id":"qf55cfdbea78a58d1efe4","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-18T07:15:37.596Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf55cfdbea78a58d1efe4"},{"id":"q678ade31da3fe28259d1","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-18T07:16:40.190Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q678ade31da3fe28259d1"},{"id":"q744c6d0f6dd61afd1e56","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-18T07:16:49.782Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q744c6d0f6dd61afd1e56"},{"id":"q9933d451ca380314bcda","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-18T07:19:42.895Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9933d451ca380314bcda"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q419c432ddaa6ea7cb933","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-18T06:49:05.311Z","text":"实际上，最有动力找替罪羊的是托雷斯，并且可以完成判刑后不留大的把柄。反正零受害者，受害者损失为零都可以判20年。辩方自己都承认了几百万。把第三方都上传了，然后仿照二巡，说全部都看了，用什么无理取闹，资格不足，证据不足，没有合理主张等理由全部驳回，然后判20年，然后把烂摊子甩给检方，由于政府没有在合理的时间内计算出损失，只能按照被告承认的受害者损失量刑，但政府仍然需要把损失全部算清楚，哪些人拿了多少钱，没有追回来的钱说明理由。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q419c432ddaa6ea7cb933"}}