{"id":"q53493c4c78b3c1c3528f","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":503,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T07:33:29.154Z","text":"包括螺丝哥（虽然可能不会想回复这些无聊的问题），既然如此遵循法庭的命令等，我也想知道到底发生什么能让他全然相信郭本身是骗局主谋，比如法庭量刑出来彻底定罪后，会相信吗？还是正式服刑期间上诉被驳回后，就相信？还是怎么样，毕竟包括那些终身监禁的杀人犯在内，他们始终在法理上几乎永远都存在被赦免的理论可能（只是切实不会发生，法官和美国相关权限执政官员不是傻子），这是美国法律的人性之处使然，难道这个体制本身的理论可能只要存在，就相信郭绝对是无辜的？应该不至于得出这么荒唐的逻辑吧...所以到底是什么，发生什么标志事件会让螺丝哥确信，郭确实是骗子，我真的很好奇，螺丝哥应该不会像瑞恩用这套禅宗逻辑看问题，恐怕有自己独特的想法","edited":false,"reply_to":"q36d75480d7ff3dd8347b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53493c4c78b3c1c3528f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q36d75480d7ff3dd8347b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53493c4c78b3c1c3528f","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53493c4c78b3c1c3528f/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q53493c4c78b3c1c3528f","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qc2c9cfd3cbf8cd2c0286","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:32:54.586Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2c9cfd3cbf8cd2c0286"},{"id":"qdf52bbe279fc2eb39012","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:32:56.811Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf52bbe279fc2eb39012"},{"id":"q8b5883dad54a863090ae","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:33:05.517Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b5883dad54a863090ae"},{"id":"q4431589432470ad77d71","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:35:38.093Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4431589432470ad77d71"},{"id":"q43adcd2d179baef37ee6","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:35:49.568Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43adcd2d179baef37ee6"},{"id":"q8416236227fd702c3146","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:36:23.525Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8416236227fd702c3146"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q36d75480d7ff3dd8347b","speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T07:21:23.894Z","text":"我给每个扪心自问是真战友的（搅局的不要回答谢谢没意义）都问下这个问题：究竟发生什么事，会让你认为，郭这一切其实是骗局？ 比如我打个极端的超自然比方，耶稣降临到你面前，说郭确实是骗子，那你肯定要相信了；撇开这种超自然的，有没有什么切实的标的事件，能让你相信你之前对郭的核心理解是错的？重申：这是纯假设意义上的思维实验，不要去考虑你认为的这个事件发生的可能性。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q36d75480d7ff3dd8347b"}}