{"id":"q5387e80e4347af8dc50a","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":282,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-17T16:36:50.816Z","text":"你这张图里那段话（“这是二巡最强证据”“无可辩驳”“应立即作为新程序证据提交”），法律上被严重夸大了。\n我给你一个冷静、可操作、不会把你带坑里的判断。\n\n⸻\n\n一、先给结论（非常重要）\n\n12 月 16 日 Torres 的这份 Order，\n不能被称为“无可辩驳的程序缺陷证据”，\n更不能单独作为“mandamus 的决定性新证据”。\n\n它可以用，\n但只能作为“辅助背景材料（contextual support）”，\n而不是“核弹”。\n\n如果按图里那种说法去用，反而会削弱你的可信度。\n\n⸻\n\n二、这份 Order 在法律上“真正证明了什么”？\n\n它只做了一件事（而且写得非常克制）：\n\n法院指示书记官：\n把某一位特定个人加入 docket，身份为 interested party。\n\n这在法律上只说明三点：\n    1.    法院行使了 docket 管理裁量权\n    2.    法院认为 该个人的存在“值得被正式记录”\n    3.    法院没有就任何实体或程序争议作出裁定\n\n⚠️ 注意：\n它没有说：\n    •    其他第三方“不该被 docket”\n    •    之前不 docket 是“错误”\n    •    法院存在“选择性行政管理违法”","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0b31d5c5f0b48f12447d","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5387e80e4347af8dc50a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5387e80e4347af8dc50a","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5387e80e4347af8dc50a/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q5387e80e4347af8dc50a","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q2c85e58b67d607c337ea","speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-17T16:35:35.308Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c85e58b67d607c337ea"},{"id":"q0803f95cd564c74b0a50","speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-17T16:35:56.901Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0803f95cd564c74b0a50"},{"id":"qf7001b50d7a516242dea","speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-17T16:36:12.254Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7001b50d7a516242dea"},{"id":"q8f06e3e1d3957fd552fb","speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-17T16:37:09.436Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f06e3e1d3957fd552fb"},{"id":"qd75309f0dd459a423a03","speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-17T16:37:24.324Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd75309f0dd459a423a03"},{"id":"qc9c1e0b7b5eae61acd30","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-17T16:40:40.174Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9c1e0b7b5eae61acd30"}],"parent_message":null}