{"id":"q53c842b8c8ea61241927","batch_id":"batch-000152","seq":27,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-25T13:02:10.588Z","text":"错，本案就是这么奇葩，你还在用正常逻辑去解读。它们程序上能做到什么，它们就会这么做。你用ai来帮你说，我直接打字跟你说，托雷斯就是引用了王的认罪和指任，你估计没有自己去看全部原文。托雷斯确实说了政府以优势证据来证明，但优势证据是哪些，托雷斯引用的那些证人证词，和一个认罪的第一副手说郭是boss，谁更有分量。王能证明的是控制了g系列是用来干坏事，托雷斯引用的其它证人证词，更多的只是证明控制，控制了也可以是干好事。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"qdb7588d2d8ef3ffa51f3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53c842b8c8ea61241927","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb7588d2d8ef3ffa51f3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000152","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000152","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53c842b8c8ea61241927","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53c842b8c8ea61241927/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q53c842b8c8ea61241927","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q4ebcf189773d289de067","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-25T11:59:31.544Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4ebcf189773d289de067"},{"id":"qdb7588d2d8ef3ffa51f3","speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-25T12:54:03.573Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb7588d2d8ef3ffa51f3"},{"id":"qc9eb6c4cffd1f2fb374a","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-25T13:00:55.638Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9eb6c4cffd1f2fb374a"},{"id":"q555334812dcad76bfc24","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-25T13:04:21.424Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q555334812dcad76bfc24"},{"id":"q9957914d77d2f0b64dd4","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-25T13:05:31.095Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9957914d77d2f0b64dd4"},{"id":"q945a27fee5fc32605e35","speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-25T13:35:46.959Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q945a27fee5fc32605e35"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qdb7588d2d8ef3ffa51f3","speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-25T12:54:03.573Z","text":"郭被指认为boss关键不是王，托雷死根本没提过王，在858里说得很清楚，“在审判中，政府以优势证据证明，郭文贵是控制 G 集团所有实体及这些实体资产的“老板”。\n答复第 7 页。7 例如，多名证人的证词表明，郭文贵对 G 集团所涉资产行使控制：Karin Maistrello\n作证称，郭文贵控制 Rule of Law 组织的资金，而该组织是一项涉及 G 集团的计划（见审判记录\n第 424 页）；多名证人作证称，郭文贵控制 G Clubs（见审判记录第 1941 页〔描述郭文贵为“最\n高老板”〕，1995:3–15，1996:2–5〔旁栏澄清〕，1999:4–7，2975:8–2976:10，2980:11–22，\n2999:20–3000:6〔关于 G Clubs 的证词〕）；并且大量书面证据支持如下结论：郭文贵对其犯罪所\n涉资金行使控制（见 GXC415；答复第 7 页注 3〔引用审判证物，显示郭文贵对 G 集团所涉资金行\n使控制〕）”                                                                                你要把rico当一个单独地来打不但很难，就是打掉了也只是rico而已，其它电汇，证券欺诈还在，但如果电汇，证券欺诈不成立，那rico 干什么？rico一起游山玩水吗？电汇，证券欺诈是基础，rico和洗钱都是建立在这之上，这是最基本的，一个律师一眼就能看出来，根本都谈不上技术","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb7588d2d8ef3ffa51f3"}}