{"id":"q56871b425c69cbe88fcf","batch_id":"batch-000165","seq":712,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-28T05:13:58.574Z","text":"［用户 joh***］ 托雷斯用了个法案 好像在有些情况下 金钱判决可以先于853","text_en":null,"edited":true,"reply_to":"q6a7ba6a70463842f1690","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56871b425c69cbe88fcf","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a7ba6a70463842f1690","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000165/pages/4","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000165/pages/4","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56871b425c69cbe88fcf","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56871b425c69cbe88fcf/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q56871b425c69cbe88fcf","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q485d85498c32025b1fcd","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-28T05:01:00.024Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q485d85498c32025b1fcd"},{"id":"q42aaee824f5ad1e79c8e","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-28T05:07:24.189Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q42aaee824f5ad1e79c8e"},{"id":"q6a7ba6a70463842f1690","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-28T05:08:57.147Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a7ba6a70463842f1690"},{"id":"q2023401aacac9c0f0723","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-28T05:14:59.596Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2023401aacac9c0f0723"},{"id":"q3bddfaa02310cd016993","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-28T05:15:12.938Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3bddfaa02310cd016993"},{"id":"qc224abb720bc8c074a1c","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-28T05:16:43.594Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc224abb720bc8c074a1c"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q6a7ba6a70463842f1690","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-28T05:08:57.147Z","text":"853，就是卡步骤2里金钱判决的计算，不然最终没收不能开始\nCVRA，卡步骤1里，决定财产处理方式（没收forfeiture替代直接赔偿restitution)的程序合理性","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a7ba6a70463842f1690"}}