{"id":"q58d641fd23c753b25148","batch_id":"batch-000151","seq":195,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-25T09:08:41.174Z","text":"是你不准确。你们ai自己有时也会把没收清单里列明的财产，可没收性，金钱判决，等概念没有用汉语说清楚。对王的个人资产没收就是只有几百万且应该是政府拿到了这几百万。对郭的个人资产没收令是8.89亿，如果犯罪所得在尽最大努力后没有追缴回来，可以用郭本人的其它本来的个人资产来填充，对郭的个人资产没收令是文件858，对G enterprise 的补充初步没收令，是859，具体没收清单里的财产，是列在859里，一共只有6个多亿。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"qb5dc8bda42fda1497bb8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58d641fd23c753b25148","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5dc8bda42fda1497bb8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000151","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000151","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58d641fd23c753b25148","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58d641fd23c753b25148/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q58d641fd23c753b25148","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qb5dc8bda42fda1497bb8","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:02:46.321Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5dc8bda42fda1497bb8"},{"id":"qe59c53c5607ab456dae7","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:05:58.623Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe59c53c5607ab456dae7"},{"id":"qb11c5759cbcb80f045c3","speaker":"ken***","date":"2026-08-25T09:06:05.360Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb11c5759cbcb80f045c3"},{"id":"q20cec6427c7be93980ce","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:09:35.582Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20cec6427c7be93980ce"},{"id":"qc61288edfa3a3b25d949","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:11:47.643Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc61288edfa3a3b25d949"},{"id":"qb5ecac4e5a5df53cabe5","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:16:07.299Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5ecac4e5a5df53cabe5"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qb5dc8bda42fda1497bb8","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:02:46.321Z","text":"所以我给Robert这段话做个简洁判断：\n\n* “王最终没收只有几百万”——不准确。 王的money judgment是$1.4b；具体资产金额是另一回事。\n* “于建民不来美国，不能直接缺席审判定罪”——基本正确。 Rule 43支持这个方向。\n* “所以必须另找一个人来背，否则GTV必须从郭final forfeiture去掉”——不成立。\n* 真正有价值的问题是：每一个仍保留的GTV-related specific asset，政府能否单独证明它和郭本人现存有罪counts之间的forfeiture nexus。\n\n我觉得你们现在不要再争“必须抓谁来背”了。直接把Supplemental POF里面每个GTV相关账户逐个拆开，问它对应郭哪个有罪count、对应什么资金链、法院有没有具体nexus finding。\n\n这条比Robert现在这套“必须抓一个人”强得多，也更适合二巡。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5dc8bda42fda1497bb8"}}