{"id":"q5ab4e20d3cedbd6e2fcc","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":954,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-31T05:54:20.527Z","text":"［用户 ntp***］ 如果luc真因为曼宁的order  而拿走了gclub 那么问题就来了 破产案和刑事案的争议是一直存在的 你托雷斯有没有执行这笔钱的裁量权 有没有审查这笔钱在破产案刑事案交错的 背景下能不能被没收一旦老郭律师上诉打这个点 打个几年 检方基本上就几年不能没收 因为检方就算硬冲 他们也不知道哪天二巡就下令撤销没收 他们就打脸打成胖子了","text_en":null,"edited":true,"reply_to":"q35d195fc3ddab604b124","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ab4e20d3cedbd6e2fcc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35d195fc3ddab604b124","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154/pages/5","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154/pages/5","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ab4e20d3cedbd6e2fcc","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ab4e20d3cedbd6e2fcc/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q5ab4e20d3cedbd6e2fcc","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q7103d9e03f7020a8795e","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-31T05:49:26.167Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7103d9e03f7020a8795e"},{"id":"q32c1d5e50c32ead0d186","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-31T05:52:13.336Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q32c1d5e50c32ead0d186"},{"id":"qcd15336aea0c2e3eb8d9","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-31T05:52:46.419Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd15336aea0c2e3eb8d9"},{"id":"qb60508dab8506887ef03","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-31T05:54:47.300Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb60508dab8506887ef03"},{"id":"q637981fecea7352b367d","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-31T05:58:30.217Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q637981fecea7352b367d"},{"id":"q3753c81275a3fc0d87ab","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-31T05:59:03.161Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3753c81275a3fc0d87ab"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q35d195fc3ddab604b124","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-31T05:39:04.215Z","text":"最开始不就是因为债权人登记才导致的刑事案吗？债权人涉及的就是G系列投资，破产案和刑事案争得不就是同一笔钱吗？你说的资金混同检方不能没收是如果luc拿到钱检方就拿不到的意思吗？但钱还是被拿走了啊","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35d195fc3ddab604b124"}}