{"id":"q5c5eacd10e093062dc9d","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":881,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-10-09T03:39:44.349Z","text":"你这条论点最有力的表达应当是：\n如果检方把这些具体款项计入郭取得或控制的犯罪所得，就应核对：支持这一归责的证据，如何与MOS独立索赔、收款和处分资金的记录相容。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"qdf20e28b9883baaba904","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c5eacd10e093062dc9d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf20e28b9883baaba904","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162/pages/5","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162/pages/5","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c5eacd10e093062dc9d","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c5eacd10e093062dc9d/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q5c5eacd10e093062dc9d","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q425883fd81954cdacae8","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-10-09T03:33:11.208Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q425883fd81954cdacae8"},{"id":"q78feed780239739c0a70","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-09T03:34:43.009Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q78feed780239739c0a70"},{"id":"qdf20e28b9883baaba904","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-09T03:38:13.263Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf20e28b9883baaba904"},{"id":"qa302613520334f799e70","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-09T03:39:52.512Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa302613520334f799e70"},{"id":"q44f6a543ed00f1c2abd8","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-10-09T03:41:25.033Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q44f6a543ed00f1c2abd8"},{"id":"qc14129b3d2994cbf201d","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T03:45:52.630Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc14129b3d2994cbf201d"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qdf20e28b9883baaba904","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-09T03:38:13.263Z","text":"夏收到多少 不重要！ 重要的是 这件事说明了几个问题 1）9指、夏 有权出庭代表MOS/收款的公司 - alter ego 不成立 2） 检方呢？ 为什么投资人的借款待遇不同？ 为什么不没收？ 有没有给郭定罪？","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf20e28b9883baaba904"}}