{"id":"q5c8d1fbecc1fe9623e61","batch_id":"batch-000097","seq":501,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-03T12:19:40.024Z","text":"这个思路就是它们一直在玩的，用结果来证明原因。简称因果倒置。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"q1937b927b4b4151ebca8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c8d1fbecc1fe9623e61","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1937b927b4b4151ebca8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000097/pages/3","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000097/pages/3","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c8d1fbecc1fe9623e61","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c8d1fbecc1fe9623e61/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q5c8d1fbecc1fe9623e61","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q09ac024fcce54d6bc092","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-03T12:16:49.017Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q09ac024fcce54d6bc092"},{"id":"qe5782e9af9e0fb21af79","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-03T12:18:21.684Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5782e9af9e0fb21af79"},{"id":"q1937b927b4b4151ebca8","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-03T12:18:40.871Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1937b927b4b4151ebca8"},{"id":"q92dfacf43f4487f01237","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-04-03T12:19:41.646Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92dfacf43f4487f01237"},{"id":"q74437627f5615e939a96","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-03T12:19:44.160Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74437627f5615e939a96"},{"id":"q99531c19161a13f36d5c","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-03T12:20:00.820Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99531c19161a13f36d5c"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q1937b927b4b4151ebca8","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-03T12:18:40.871Z","text":"不是，我现在没搞清楚那些人为什么是虚假索赔。按照刑事庭陪审团的判决，郭就是g系列的boss，那他就是欠那些人钱啊，那些人怎么是虚假索赔呢","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1937b927b4b4151ebca8"}}