{"id":"q5cef153a93ae99d85d82","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":846,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-11-01T07:19:11.746Z","text":"很多直播材料","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"q131b9464239a842096f7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5cef153a93ae99d85d82","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q131b9464239a842096f7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166/pages/5","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166/pages/5","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5cef153a93ae99d85d82","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5cef153a93ae99d85d82/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q5cef153a93ae99d85d82","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q1b6a0eebd29df92eb305","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-11-01T07:17:32.136Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b6a0eebd29df92eb305"},{"id":"qed12167327534ccbed3b","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-11-01T07:17:49.759Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qed12167327534ccbed3b"},{"id":"q131b9464239a842096f7","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-11-01T07:18:31.639Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q131b9464239a842096f7"},{"id":"q7d282d04492ec322195a","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-11-01T07:19:13.953Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d282d04492ec322195a"},{"id":"qa373c5af0d4d533b86ee","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-11-01T07:19:21.854Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa373c5af0d4d533b86ee"},{"id":"q03aa4649d75ced1fc71d","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-11-01T07:19:34.001Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03aa4649d75ced1fc71d"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q131b9464239a842096f7","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-11-01T07:18:31.639Z","text":"中文就是：\n\n一个涉嫌参与案件共谋的组织网络，可能同时介入辩方证人选择、投资人和证人沟通、证据形成以及向法院呈现信息的过程；与此同时，该网络中的人员又成为检方证据来源，并被认定为涉案共谋参与者。这种重叠可能损害控辩双方独立调查和检验证据的能力，进而影响司法程序的完整性。\n\n我想强调一个非常关键的判断标准：\n\n如果你能够证明联盟不仅影响了证据内容，而且影响了哪些证人能够出现、哪些证据能够形成、哪些信息能够到达法院，那么问题就不再只是“联盟提供的证据是否可信”。\n\n而是：\n\n谁实际上控制了这个案件中事实的生产、筛选和呈现？法院是否在不知情或未充分审查的情况下，依赖了这个受争议的控制体系？\n\n这才是可能动摇案件整体证据基础的核心。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q131b9464239a842096f7"}}