{"id":"q5f60ff3c7565aabdec23","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":467,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-07T12:59:21.399Z","text":"也不算同归于尽吧，真打翻全场也用不到法庭退款了","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"q33e6f1683e772dd2d4aa","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f60ff3c7565aabdec23","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q33e6f1683e772dd2d4aa","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143/pages/3","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143/pages/3","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f60ff3c7565aabdec23","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f60ff3c7565aabdec23/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q5f60ff3c7565aabdec23","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q10d7f805e6ffd1bfb43a","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-07T12:18:33.005Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q10d7f805e6ffd1bfb43a"},{"id":"q9d01b33136c050e7f071","speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-07T12:49:53.304Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d01b33136c050e7f071"},{"id":"q6c8690998e6811e39aa1","speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-08-07T12:51:27.784Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c8690998e6811e39aa1"},{"id":"qc306877a11ff7d31fb92","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-07T13:00:35.676Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc306877a11ff7d31fb92"},{"id":"q9f5adfb4c9076f1fc1d3","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-07T13:06:05.984Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f5adfb4c9076f1fc1d3"},{"id":"q0002ecce2d34428a2edb","speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-07T13:06:15.674Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0002ecce2d34428a2edb"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q33e6f1683e772dd2d4aa","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-07T10:59:36.596Z","text":"用853n 要钱的standing打程序问题，也是可以的，但是是同归于尽的打法。 853n 就是被告定罪 量刑后 你的钱，法庭要判给你。 这是你的standing。 但如果你用这个standing，打程序问题，因为没有考虑你的853n 导致流入变成损失的程序问题，要求废除量刑，那么等于是你用853n的这张门票，进门后，你说，我要把全场都炸毁，钱我也不要了。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q33e6f1683e772dd2d4aa"}}