{"id":"q6131679f3298f56bb49f","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":503,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-08T16:02:51.205Z","text":"［用户 ton***］ cipa应该是去炸案件根基的","edited":true,"reply_to":"qb5a14f999dd0aafbbe6e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6131679f3298f56bb49f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5a14f999dd0aafbbe6e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6131679f3298f56bb49f","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6131679f3298f56bb49f/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q6131679f3298f56bb49f","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q2ae5273b80b8c40afb9b","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-08T15:49:28.033Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ae5273b80b8c40afb9b"},{"id":"qfa4604614ab56cc070da","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-08T15:49:35.609Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa4604614ab56cc070da"},{"id":"qb5a14f999dd0aafbbe6e","speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-07-08T15:57:09.861Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5a14f999dd0aafbbe6e"},{"id":"q27d974661e47b351400e","speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-07-08T16:08:50.931Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q27d974661e47b351400e"},{"id":"qdb96dbb3a0dd070509d6","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-08T16:10:21.498Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb96dbb3a0dd070509d6"},{"id":"q14e5504eae7ec3ba5032","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-08T16:10:34.224Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q14e5504eae7ec3ba5032"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qb5a14f999dd0aafbbe6e","speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-07-08T15:57:09.861Z","text":"Joshua Dratel 是资深联邦刑辩律师，强项在国家安全、恐怖主义、情报/机密材料、宪法程序权利这类案件；CIPA 是他核心工具箱之一。\n\n证据分三层：\n\n1. 郭案案卷里\n\n  • 郭案的 CIPA 问题早在 2023 年就存在。Doc 30 里检方已经预告会走 Classified Information Procedures Act。\n  • 2024 年审判前，CIPA 已经围绕 Witness-2、机密信息交叉询问打过一轮，主要文件是 Doc 339、Doc 340。\n  • Dratel 后来接手后，在 Doc 783 亲自提交 CIPA §4 动议，要求法院重新审查政府 2023 年提交的机密材料，用于量刑阶段。\n  • 他在 Doc 783 脚注里还直接说，自己曾在多个 CIPA §4 案件中担任辩护律师，包括 Hausa, Mostafa, Babar, Moalin, El-Mezain 等。\n2. 法院怎么处理\n\n  • Torres 法官在 Doc 805 驳回了 Dratel 的请求。\n  • 法官核心意思是：法院之前已经审过 CIPA §4 材料；仅仅因为进入量刑阶段、相关性范围更宽，不足以重新打开 CIPA 程序。\n  • 所以 Dratel 的 CIPA 路线是真实存在的，但法院目前没买账。\n3. 公开履历\n\n  • Dratel & Lewis 官方简介显示，他长期做联邦刑辩、国家安全、恐怖主义相关案件，并担任过 NACDL 国家安全委员会主席。\n  • 他也写过 CIPA、FISA、反恐刑辩伦理相关主题文章。\n\n所以一句话：\nDratel 不是普通诈骗案律师，他是“国家安全型刑辩律师”。在郭案里，他被看中的是处理 CIPA、情报接触、中共/美国政府相关敏感材料的经验，而不是单纯没收或量刑经验。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5a14f999dd0aafbbe6e"}}