{"id":"q61367600c9a4704e949d","batch_id":"batch-000054","seq":539,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-11-03T12:55:57.517Z","text":"五、结论（针对你的问题）：\n\n> “共谋者陈述的真实性是否能在法官批准前挑战？”\n\n\n\n不能。 法官批准前只能挑战“形式合法性”（是否在共谋期间、是否促进共谋），\n不能挑战“内容真假”。\n\n> “批准后还能挑战真实性吗？”\n\n\n\n形式上可以（陪审团可评估可信度），但实务上很难，\n因为共谋者本人往往不出庭，辩方无交叉询问机会。\n因此，司法实践上，它几乎等价于“检方可以引入无法质证的陈述”，\n这一点常被批评为削弱了被告的对质权与公正审判权。\n看来共谋这个东西是个专门用来整人的东西，只要无法定罪就用共谋，就算是假的，理论上可以对质，实践上共谋者无法被强制传唤，根本没法对质。\n真是对美国法律开了眼界。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61367600c9a4704e949d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000054","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000054","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61367600c9a4704e949d","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61367600c9a4704e949d/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q61367600c9a4704e949d","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q81ce724a63d96112f226","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-11-03T12:44:08.784Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81ce724a63d96112f226"},{"id":"qed82fe0eef4888277981","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-11-03T12:44:28.814Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qed82fe0eef4888277981"},{"id":"q3b9bfdfd0b6a24a3a6cb","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-11-03T12:53:55.744Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3b9bfdfd0b6a24a3a6cb"},{"id":"qbb583a9ae0a42b07bd8e","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-11-03T12:58:08.767Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbb583a9ae0a42b07bd8e"},{"id":"qebd91d54f47195ec5749","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-11-03T12:58:26.424Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qebd91d54f47195ec5749"},{"id":"q48f193e255aa1f4be49a","speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-11-03T12:58:28.220Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48f193e255aa1f4be49a"}],"parent_message":null}