{"id":"q64e06024353dd141f7f9","batch_id":"batch-000085","seq":883,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-03-01T15:53:03.733Z","text":"定罪后开启初步没收 第三方出现 投资者有不同声音 不同意检方的欺诈叙事 那么检方有权支配的冻结资产 就要减少 对量刑就产生影响","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"qa81582459ebd2bb5d713","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64e06024353dd141f7f9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa81582459ebd2bb5d713","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000085/pages/5","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000085/pages/5","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64e06024353dd141f7f9","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64e06024353dd141f7f9/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q64e06024353dd141f7f9","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q58bc31748014beda7c71","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-03-01T15:44:19.486Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58bc31748014beda7c71"},{"id":"qb0e6cbc092eff65c29d5","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-03-01T15:44:32.206Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb0e6cbc092eff65c29d5"},{"id":"q3c954d7246d2dc41b0b5","speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-03-01T15:48:00.692Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c954d7246d2dc41b0b5"},{"id":"q85ad87697bc3f0ba85a3","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-03-01T16:09:27.702Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85ad87697bc3f0ba85a3"},{"id":"q773ee1935b30130c9b6b","speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-03-01T16:25:32.063Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q773ee1935b30130c9b6b"},{"id":"q8f75e4d1ad48c31914d3","speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-03-01T16:30:41.218Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f75e4d1ad48c31914d3"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qa81582459ebd2bb5d713","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-03-01T15:29:09.729Z","text":"这段话的意思是\n检方(政府)认为投资者都是受害者 这也做实了青 和检方合作 宣传填表要接受 受害者角色 也就是变相承认检方和污点证人构建的叙事闭环\n因为第三方一旦出现 检方的叙事逻辑就会破裂 不是所有投资者 都认可这个故事","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa81582459ebd2bb5d713"}}