{"id":"q652cb81f4029c6535c3c","batch_id":"batch-000148","seq":115,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-20T05:46:24.403Z","text":"可以说“这个记录明显支持早期协同/预先设计的推论”，但还不能仅凭这一句话直接证明“Luc从一开始就是刑事案计划的一部分”。\n\n我刚定位到一个很可能就是你记得的文件：破产案 ECF No. 3370，2024年8月5日，Luc提交的《Reply + Emergency Motion》。这份文件里Luc明确把Mahwah和刑事案联系起来，而且写得相当强。\n\n最值得注意的是，Luc在这份文件中直接说，Taurus之所以停止支付Mahwah费用，真正原因可能是：郭已经被定罪，“has thus written off hope of ever recovering this asset”；同时Luc又说，刑事审判的证据“overwhelmingly establishes”郭购买、拥有并控制Mahwah，因此他准备加速申请summary judgment。\n\n但更早、更关键的记录其实是2023年的Mahwah Settlement。公开材料明确记载：\n\n政府和Luc已经协商并签署Mahwah Settlement；Luc可以在刑事案件仍pending期间取得控制和/或出售Mahwah，政府不反对；而且政府还把FBI搜查Mahwah时拍摄的照片交给了Luc使用。\n\n更重要的是，刑事案里政府自己后来向Torres说明：\n\n2023年7月，政府已经和Bankruptcy Trustee就Mahwah签了stipulation；\nTrustee和Government以后将就出售所得如何分配继续善意谈判。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"q3ea471253f6025ff2ec6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q652cb81f4029c6535c3c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ea471253f6025ff2ec6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000148","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000148","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q652cb81f4029c6535c3c","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q652cb81f4029c6535c3c/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q652cb81f4029c6535c3c","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q4d8917c7a22dbfbc0d60","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-20T05:32:03.102Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d8917c7a22dbfbc0d60"},{"id":"q56f0d4528a273729ca2d","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-20T05:32:59.837Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56f0d4528a273729ca2d"},{"id":"q3ea471253f6025ff2ec6","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-20T05:45:03.718Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ea471253f6025ff2ec6"},{"id":"q73a0206c4af7e60fb0d5","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-20T05:46:45.755Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q73a0206c4af7e60fb0d5"},{"id":"qa130eb4fa58f3697eed5","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-20T05:47:01.102Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa130eb4fa58f3697eed5"},{"id":"qa1445742450fba20a8b7","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-20T05:50:58.472Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1445742450fba20a8b7"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q3ea471253f6025ff2ec6","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-20T05:45:03.718Z","text":"Luc在有个回复的motion里（文件号忘了）明确提到，政府肯定会对Mahwah资产，进行没收forfeiture，是不是说明，luc介入刑事案，也是一开始就设计好的？","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ea471253f6025ff2ec6"}}