{"id":"q6a335ffce79f1cdc3e9c","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":894,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-29T01:12:31.986Z","text":"如果法官认同检方的这种说辞，那庭审那些污点证人的证言也应该全部不算，不可能就这么堂而皇之的，共谋犯的言行被告不利的就采信，对被告有利的就不采信。共谋犯组织索赔明显是rico欺诈行为的延续，但共谋犯组织人们给被告提供有利的证据，这些证据是为了推翻指控，不仅可以推翻对被告的指控，也可以推翻检方说它们是共谋犯的指控，这再正当不过。当然它们的目的是污染，但实际上正确的操作是，它们会安排一些虚假证据进去，让检方说，有理由怀疑其它也被污染。但在庭审中，辩方提出过反过来的类似的推导，法官明确了不能这样推论，不能说证人a和b都被中共威胁，证人a是被中共威胁下报了假案，就说证人b对被告的不利证言可能受中共影响。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdbd5a7f6cad423ba49e2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a335ffce79f1cdc3e9c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdbd5a7f6cad423ba49e2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a335ffce79f1cdc3e9c","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a335ffce79f1cdc3e9c/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q6a335ffce79f1cdc3e9c","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q7a089c9a5633b9b050cf","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-29T00:03:20.720Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a089c9a5633b9b050cf"},{"id":"qb1cb51666b3c28131ffc","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-29T00:07:07.699Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb1cb51666b3c28131ffc"},{"id":"q75a9246f85268abffdf8","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-29T00:51:00.494Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75a9246f85268abffdf8"},{"id":"qeb6875543104b732d126","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-29T02:43:07.056Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb6875543104b732d126"},{"id":"q22a5fb0856fd38482dd8","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-29T02:54:42.840Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q22a5fb0856fd38482dd8"},{"id":"qcff88beca38fffe0c241","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-29T03:28:49.079Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcff88beca38fffe0c241"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qdbd5a7f6cad423ba49e2","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-29T00:02:57.893Z","text":"不过青藤这样搞 也没啥什么严重的坏处 只是战略上 原本老郭有翻案的底牌 现在没了","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdbd5a7f6cad423ba49e2"}}