{"id":"q6ad902ad1b7ff4af8d41","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":351,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-30T01:57:00.582Z","text":"所以final order of forfeiture 难产\n只要第三方specific property没裁，没法最终没收","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"q7efdfec007836148a40d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ad902ad1b7ff4af8d41","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7efdfec007836148a40d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161/pages/2","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161/pages/2","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ad902ad1b7ff4af8d41","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ad902ad1b7ff4af8d41/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q6ad902ad1b7ff4af8d41","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q81a37914160fc64fa0cb","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-30T01:53:57.002Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81a37914160fc64fa0cb"},{"id":"q4d1fda6ebc906b914553","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-30T01:54:02.809Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d1fda6ebc906b914553"},{"id":"q7efdfec007836148a40d","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-30T01:56:22.775Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7efdfec007836148a40d"},{"id":"q77eeb6c00fef3836f370","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-30T01:58:11.409Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77eeb6c00fef3836f370"},{"id":"qdbb845b43266c9d9655b","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-30T01:58:55.332Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdbb845b43266c9d9655b"},{"id":"qf89bc8ca4a6b7bec3e2a","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-30T02:04:30.937Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf89bc8ca4a6b7bec3e2a"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q7efdfec007836148a40d","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-30T01:56:22.775Z","text":"本案中的实际情况是不应该这么处理。因为投资者在其投资款是否已经变成了郭的可没收权益，有程序权利，且尊重这一权利后的结果，会对针对郭的个人没收产生影响。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7efdfec007836148a40d"}}