{"id":"q6b65fb678598fba47fdc","batch_id":"batch-000146","seq":889,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-19T10:29:25.868Z","text":"所谓“香草山/ Mountains of Spices”那部分也可以确认：政府拿到的相关资金原则上全部进 Forfeiture Assets，但其中 $2,540,087.05 必须转给Luc，作为 Estate Asset。 5739.pdf\n\nMahwah房产也不是“全部归刑事案”。卖掉以后先扣费用、抵押、税费等，再拿 $1 million 给破产案里被认定为victim的allowed claim holders，剩余净款才由政府和Luc 50/50平分。\n\n对你最值得注意的一条\n\n第27页的 Conditions to Effectiveness 非常关键。\n\n这个和解成立的前提之一，是那些Forfeiture Assets最终必须持续受到final forfeiture order约束。\n\n如果某项资产后来因为：\n\n* 没收令被vacated；\n* 没收令被voided；\n* 或者挑战没收后达成settlement；\n\n导致它不再属于刑事没收，那么Luc有权重新回来主张这项资产属于Chapter 11 Estate。 5739.pdf\n\n这个条款跟 26-1853 的关系非常直接。\n\n因为假设二巡以后真的撤销或者改变某一部分forfeiture，资产不会自动回到郭手里。 5739已经提前约定：Luc可能马上重新主张这些资产进入破产estate。\n\n所以资产路径现在其实更像：\n\n刑事没收成立 → 政府控制 → victim remission/restoration；\n刑事没收被撤销 → Luc可能重新主张 → bankruptcy estate → allowed creditors","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b65fb678598fba47fdc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000146/pages/5","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000146/pages/5","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b65fb678598fba47fdc","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b65fb678598fba47fdc/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q6b65fb678598fba47fdc","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qddc3fe81ed6b1651b861","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-19T10:22:11.010Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qddc3fe81ed6b1651b861"},{"id":"q5e82b077aaaff80b2e0c","speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-08-19T10:24:04.716Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e82b077aaaff80b2e0c"},{"id":"q60093f4122d2ad111cb7","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-19T10:29:02.680Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q60093f4122d2ad111cb7"},{"id":"qbf82c54abc571f6a4e68","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-19T10:29:54.307Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf82c54abc571f6a4e68"},{"id":"q170ccb92e28f300f9a46","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-19T10:32:03.319Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q170ccb92e28f300f9a46"},{"id":"q60a8b9560c048d5a53e1","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-19T10:32:26.131Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q60a8b9560c048d5a53e1"}],"parent_message":null}