{"id":"q6c2f16d82932bf865470","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":954,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-15T22:50:40.400Z","text":"一句话结论（精确版）\n\n733 里面“指出的行为”，在法律上：\n👉 具备“司法欺诈（fraud upon the court）所需的全部构成要素”，\n👉 但是否“已经被司法上确认成立”，取决于法院是否认定。\n\n换成更专业的话：\n\n733 所揭示的是“可成立的司法欺诈事实模式（actionable fraud upon the court）”，\n而不是仅仅一种意见或推测。\n\n⸻\n\n一、我们先把问题“定型”（非常关键）\n\n你问的不是：\n    •    “733 算不算一份司法欺诈文书？”\n    •    也不是：“法院有没有认定司法欺诈？”\n\n你问的是：\n\n733 里面“指出的司法欺诈”，在法律性质上算不算司法欺诈？\n\n这是一个客观法律评价问题，而不是裁判结果问题。\n\n⸻\n\n二、按联邦法标准逐项对照（硬标准，不是观点）\n\n司法欺诈的四个核心要件（Rule 60(d)(3)）\n\n我用“是 / 否”直接回答：","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c2f16d82932bf865470","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063/pages/5","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063/pages/5","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c2f16d82932bf865470","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c2f16d82932bf865470/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q6c2f16d82932bf865470","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q4a52bb40218f35cf022a","speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-15T22:46:36.113Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a52bb40218f35cf022a"},{"id":"q57e97cad84c1c85da6e9","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-15T22:48:48.363Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57e97cad84c1c85da6e9"},{"id":"q55a774e9c186b365fe86","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-15T22:49:40.809Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55a774e9c186b365fe86"},{"id":"q8ec9365e7867f0e8cb45","speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-15T22:51:35.952Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ec9365e7867f0e8cb45"},{"id":"q52338fe7af27c094e182","speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-15T22:53:43.884Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q52338fe7af27c094e182"},{"id":"qdb60a495860c7dae64e1","speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-16T00:03:58.748Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb60a495860c7dae64e1"}],"parent_message":null}