{"id":"q6d1303eb828586dde7f5","batch_id":"batch-000151","seq":5,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-24T20:21:46.714Z","text":"而且这里还有一个很值得注意的历史转折。\n\n2023年12月的Geyer不仅在说“客户不是郭的受害者”，他甚至向法官明确主张：\n\nDOJ所谓保护客户的行为，实际上因为扣押reserve反而让他的客户受害。\n\nECF 198把这种理论说得非常强烈：Geyer称政府是在把客户的钱转进美国财政，并称真正造成客户损失的是政府扣押。\n\n与此同时，Geyer还要求法院：\n\n不需要让政府知道每一个客户真实身份；\n\n因为他认为真正需要验证的只是：\n\n这些HID和账户是不是真的。\n\n他提出的是：\n\n匿名/保密的客户身份 + HID认证 + 返还HEX reserve。 \n\n这和后来政府remission的结构其实存在天然冲突。\n\n因为remission通常要知道：\n\n你是谁；\n你的损失是多少；\n损失因何产生；\n有没有得到其他赔偿；\n是否符合victim条件。\n\n所以从程序设计上看：\n\nGeyer最初建立的是“尽量不向政府披露客户身份的产权追回系统”。\n\n后来接入的却是：\n\n“必须向政府/claims administrator证明自己符合victim资格的赔偿系统”。\n\n这就是一个真正的结构性转变。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d1303eb828586dde7f5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000151","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000151","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d1303eb828586dde7f5","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d1303eb828586dde7f5/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q6d1303eb828586dde7f5","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q09ba4c58ff9248e26e5d","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-24T20:12:24.895Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q09ba4c58ff9248e26e5d"},{"id":"q24db45972af617201515","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-24T20:16:00.661Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q24db45972af617201515"},{"id":"q0a391fc6c9a33db798ab","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-24T20:19:15.949Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a391fc6c9a33db798ab"},{"id":"qa5ee87dd53f12388c0db","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-24T20:36:19.798Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa5ee87dd53f12388c0db"},{"id":"q636638457ad383f5708a","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-24T20:42:24.886Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q636638457ad383f5708a"},{"id":"qb9468a9f4a3df3e0aef0","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-24T20:46:30.599Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb9468a9f4a3df3e0aef0"}],"parent_message":null}