{"id":"q6f72b0c812bf3d1e188b","batch_id":"batch-000021","seq":630,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2025-07-31T15:59:20.026Z","text":"谢谢我看到了。我觉得老郭是两手准备，一个是他控制或者鼓动的人去登记债权可以稀释那些PAX、马蕊、吴征杨澜等跟他作对的债权人的投票权，二是可以拖延卢克的工作进度，期待有些真的债权人拖不下去了，同意跟他和解。至于你说的“保存革命实力”这一层，我倒是没想到，但也不是没可能。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa601e4171d100870bb57","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f72b0c812bf3d1e188b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa601e4171d100870bb57","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000021","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000021","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f72b0c812bf3d1e188b","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f72b0c812bf3d1e188b/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q6f72b0c812bf3d1e188b","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qa2444002fbb2071d99d4","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-31T15:58:14.159Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa2444002fbb2071d99d4"},{"id":"qe539ea799e80faaf2588","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-31T15:58:49.832Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe539ea799e80faaf2588"},{"id":"q9181a4239aaaafaa1ef2","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-31T15:59:18.217Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9181a4239aaaafaa1ef2"},{"id":"q9e9cd4d31fa6a58ff10f","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-31T16:00:50.389Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e9cd4d31fa6a58ff10f"},{"id":"q3fbb0fb35077584ae4e2","speaker":"pz0***","date":"2025-07-31T16:02:58.336Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3fbb0fb35077584ae4e2"},{"id":"q020c1a6031d54d3b99d0","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-31T16:04:13.616Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q020c1a6031d54d3b99d0"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qa601e4171d100870bb57","speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-31T07:05:38.847Z","text":"因为郭欠债巨大，一旦破产，他彼时所持的各路资产将被各路非诈骗案相关债方追讨，而他清楚彼时的大量资产在法律定义上为诈骗（现已坐实无需讨论），这就延伸了一个问题：即法庭通常考量的是，这部分钱，受害者应优先获得赔偿（通常刑事庭和破产庭会在一定时刻协商运筹这块儿），再以余额补偿其他非诈骗受害债方。 问题是，郭的众多信徒彼时几乎不可能情感上接受郭在诈骗、未来有可能败诉，所以一旦这些“受害者”不去登记，钱被其他债方抢走，郭将永无可能将这部分钱想新的招数回收到自己相关利益方手中。 所以他不得已只能鼓动众人登记，先把钱尽量收到自己人手中，留的青山在，这样未来也许能通过“后自己”时代想些更妥的办法把钱重新弄进自己利益方里，毕竟哪怕自己出不来，给自己的孩子也是好的","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa601e4171d100870bb57"}}