{"id":"q6fe604dede92cdc81ab1","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":748,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-23T19:17:16.464Z","text":"我在委托盖尔填那个表时完全不知道自己勾选的owner 还是Victim,后来我在X上问了[删节：成员身份],，我撤销了盖尔的委托，那么如果我当时不撤销委托，我后来以853N的自诉和委托时853i，就起了冲突了","edited":true,"reply_to":"q2c291e9b61ab1b46cb88","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6fe604dede92cdc81ab1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c291e9b61ab1b46cb88","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6fe604dede92cdc81ab1","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6fe604dede92cdc81ab1/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q6fe604dede92cdc81ab1","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q4e0dc49049ece7370711","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-23T18:53:58.403Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4e0dc49049ece7370711"},{"id":"q829a5c42bf70446f2607","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-23T18:54:17.533Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q829a5c42bf70446f2607"},{"id":"q0f780de34832f0030db0","speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-01-23T19:09:43.470Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f780de34832f0030db0"},{"id":"q072b725b96060c953201","speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-01-23T20:07:01.881Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q072b725b96060c953201"},{"id":"q6d1b146b078ff1904256","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-23T20:08:42.794Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d1b146b078ff1904256"},{"id":"q5e68e478adddd5d8b19a","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-23T20:09:01.167Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e68e478adddd5d8b19a"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q2c291e9b61ab1b46cb88","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-23T13:15:45.619Z","text":"/这个羊帮的某K 用心非常恶毒 和青们一样 故意玩儿文字游戏 扭曲事实 偷换概念 \n/而且借用AI骗人 混淆逻辑 故意遗漏重点 红线是它的原始标记 蓝色圈内才是致命点\n/“只要去要钱 就是受害者”放它娘的罗圈屁！\n左图\n/注意 第一种要钱 是“赦免” 走853i 它是先承认“受害人victim”这一角色为前提 再谈 向“政府”要钱 赦免返还（petition for remission)\n狗屁逻辑 到底是 “先要钱-再当受害者” 还是 “先当受害者-再要钱”？\n第二种要钱 是“索赔”走853 n “个人”比“政府”更强的主张（注意这里的逻辑 意思是 要钱除了 “当受害者-853i-政府-赦免返还” 还可以“不当受害者-853 n-个人-直接返还” ）\n右图 \n/注意这个AI总结的前提 是先承认了“受害者” \n/在“受害者”前提下 大可能被视为普通债权人 再去试图引用853n 可能不会被通过\n/蓝圈里“换言之。。。” 那句话的意思是 申请过 赦免返还=受害者 再试图去用853 n 不可能 \n总结\n1  要钱 不等于 必须当 受害者（前后逻辑）\n还可以走 索赔-853 n-个人-直接返还\n2 提交了 赦免返还（petition for remission)  再试图用853 n 不会通过\n3 青们鼓动的25年3月填表 6000人这部分都是赦免返还 \n勾选victim者 自己承认是受害者（不用被法官认定）走853i \n勾选owner者 因为材料内容只支持赦免返还 依旧会被法官认为是 受害者 （即使盖尔在759声明了要使用853n 但这是口炮 骗人而已 他也明白很难通过）","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c291e9b61ab1b46cb88"}}