{"id":"q71de68e4cca14b489ae3","batch_id":"batch-000058","seq":573,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-11-22T21:13:18.789Z","text":"我还整理了一下呢：\n换句话说就是：Luc 接受宽泛的债权没啥问题，被告反对没有standing。但是你Luc 都有standing接受宽泛债权，被告鼓动更多宽泛债权登记何罪之有？更何况被告是调侃着建议投资人去按照你Luc 宽泛接受的比例登记债权，咋就变成被告妨碍司法，虚假索赔了？\n\n曼宁不认定被告为妨碍司法，可检方在刑事案中撒谎说曼宁的破产庭认定了被告妨碍司法，一骗骗了两年多，深刻影响了多个裁决、多位法官，终于以一己之力把自己打扮成了司法欺诈的模样而遭到群殴……\n\n不管如何绕来绕去，建立在“妨碍司法，虚假索赔”之上的各种花架子，都是“无根之水，无本之木”。\n\n严格来讲，就是“鼓动 (债权人) 登记，妨碍司法，虚假索赔”这12个字的说辞就是螺丝哥最早发现的事情的苗头，也是文贵被抓、不允许保释的借口，后来在庭审前后，这12个字又悄悄地拿走了、也不放进指控项目里了，而且检方没有作丝毫解释，辨方律师也丝毫不问。\n\n现在检方是不是想我们大家都把这事彻底给忘记吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb2c6c37088f7856aa6d5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q71de68e4cca14b489ae3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2c6c37088f7856aa6d5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000058","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000058","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q71de68e4cca14b489ae3","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q71de68e4cca14b489ae3/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q71de68e4cca14b489ae3","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q79858648803a86e67d77","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-11-22T20:42:54.685Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79858648803a86e67d77"},{"id":"q8d07007669bdd433f3e8","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-11-22T20:42:58.684Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d07007669bdd433f3e8"},{"id":"q0db1736aada82e8e3aa0","speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-11-22T21:00:46.153Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0db1736aada82e8e3aa0"},{"id":"q303c90b8c037f1f7b783","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-11-22T21:25:56.820Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q303c90b8c037f1f7b783"},{"id":"q085377f86f23cc50267f","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-11-22T21:26:32.001Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q085377f86f23cc50267f"},{"id":"q59a0075dd034ee2c9085","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-11-22T21:26:39.526Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q59a0075dd034ee2c9085"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qb2c6c37088f7856aa6d5","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-11-22T13:01:14.641Z","text":"[删节：成员身份] 你总结的这个很搞笑 很全面","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2c6c37088f7856aa6d5"}}