{"id":"q752d6ea35ff7e89456d2","batch_id":"batch-000151","seq":186,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T08:55:45.644Z","text":"现在可以更准确地回答Qodty这个问题了：858的8.89亿美元money judgment确实已经把GTV私募的$411 million从原先约$1.3 billion里剔除了；但是“列明财产/具体账户的没收”是另一套分析，858明确说这次$411m扣减“不影响Listed Property的没收”。 这就是为什么你会看到：money judgment降到了8.89亿，但具体账户清单并没有机械地把所有“曾和GTV有关”的账户全部删掉。\n\n858写得非常清楚：政府主张原来的约$1.3 billion里，$411m来自GTV Private Placement，剩余约$889m来自Farm Loan、G Clubs和Himalaya Exchange。Torres接受了这个拆分，因此最终money judgment变成约$889m。她还特别说，GTV相关实体此前在SEC程序中已经disgorge的$411m应予扣减。\n\n但对具体账户，法院采用的不是“这个账户过去有没有经过GTV钱”这种简单标签，而是另一个问题：\n\n这个specific account里是否包含G Enterprise犯罪所得、或者属于/可追溯到Count 3 money laundering涉及的property。\n\n858明确依赖GXZ26和trial evidence，说某些列明账户包含来自G Enterprise的proceeds以及涉及money laundering的property；因此，$411m GTV deduction不自动让这些Listed Property消失。 \n\n所以，Qodty问的第一部分，答案是：","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"q97dacbeaba02dac857ac","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q752d6ea35ff7e89456d2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q97dacbeaba02dac857ac","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000151","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000151","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q752d6ea35ff7e89456d2","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q752d6ea35ff7e89456d2/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q752d6ea35ff7e89456d2","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qa5634ff52844a418ebb0","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-25T08:50:57.845Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa5634ff52844a418ebb0"},{"id":"qe340cd84028ee241e79b","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-25T08:51:42.956Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe340cd84028ee241e79b"},{"id":"q56b3e00fca9bd04da3c0","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-25T08:54:53.529Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56b3e00fca9bd04da3c0"},{"id":"q99786ca305e4046c35b1","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T08:56:07.149Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99786ca305e4046c35b1"},{"id":"qa3d9cc40b304cf27b8a7","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T08:56:25.915Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3d9cc40b304cf27b8a7"},{"id":"qcfe797ec678742d8b61b","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:01:31.960Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcfe797ec678742d8b61b"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q97dacbeaba02dac857ac","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-25T08:34:49.841Z","text":"［用户 roy***］ 能不能问下AI\n这部分，我之前可能没有表达清楚\n858认定了郭的8.9亿涉案金额，剔除掉GTV\n但是在没收清单GXZ26里，并没有剔除GTV的部分，反而是随后公告，增加了几个没收账户\n是不是可以说，政府已经利用王的plea guilty，认定GTV仍然涉及 fraud proceeds\n也就是说，虽然郭案GTV无罪，郭个人涉案8.9亿。但是因为王案plea guilty在先，于是总涉案资金，按原有没收清单，还是14亿？","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q97dacbeaba02dac857ac"}}