{"id":"q7599836a8328f71ecc0c","batch_id":"batch-000096","seq":60,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-03-29T01:49:13.476Z","text":"对的 但是刑事案是否真的是这样 需要更多证明","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"qfed013d5cb041fd0deb9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7599836a8328f71ecc0c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfed013d5cb041fd0deb9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000096","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000096","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7599836a8328f71ecc0c","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7599836a8328f71ecc0c/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q7599836a8328f71ecc0c","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qd589fbbe891630aa8cd9","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-03-29T01:46:57.415Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd589fbbe891630aa8cd9"},{"id":"qd6b5c4b4fa1562dd05bc","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-03-29T01:47:02.705Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6b5c4b4fa1562dd05bc"},{"id":"qfed013d5cb041fd0deb9","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-03-29T01:48:29.009Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfed013d5cb041fd0deb9"},{"id":"q6a2bc76f4e01b17c329f","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-03-29T01:49:29.287Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a2bc76f4e01b17c329f"},{"id":"qf392b6a66ffd5f3c55b1","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-03-29T01:49:40.077Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf392b6a66ffd5f3c55b1"},{"id":"q52975e0bebefa3524d47","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-03-29T01:50:01.322Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q52975e0bebefa3524d47"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qfed013d5cb041fd0deb9","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-03-29T01:48:29.009Z","text":"​查找路径\n​该案（22-50073）的官方债权代理机构是 Epiq 11。你可以通过以下方式找到这些文件：\n​访问官方债权网站：\nhttps://dm.epiq11.com/case/kwoktrustee/claims\n​在搜索框中查询：\n​在 \"Claimant Name\"（债权人姓名）一栏，分别输入 Qiu Yu 和 Lee Chu。\n​或者直接查看 \"Claim #\" 编号为 16, 17, 18 的项目。\n​下载 PDF：\n在搜索结果中点击对应的债权编号，通常会有一个 PDF 图标，点击即可查看他们填写的表格以及随附的银行流水、合同或“受害证明”。\n​关键细节提醒\n​Claim 16 & 17 (Qiu Yu): 这两份债权通常对应不同的项目（例如一个是 G-Clubs，一个是农场借贷）。\n​Claim 18 (Lee Chu): 这是朱莉娅主张的债权。\n​文件内容： 你在这些文件里能看到他们主张的确切金额（Amount of Claim）。如果正如你之前所怀疑的，他们主张了天文数字，那么在这个 PDF 表格的“Amount”一栏会有最直观的体现。\n​为什么你在 ECF 里找不到？\n​ECF（主卷宗）只记录法庭的动议、命令（如你看到的 1399 号）和法律辩论。具体的债权申请是交给 Trustee（受托人）和 Epiq 处理的。如果你在 Epiq 网站上无法直接打开 PDF（有时受托人会以包含隐私信息为由申请限制访问），那么就需要通过 PACER 系统进入 \"Claims Register\" 模块购买下载。\n​关于 1399 号文件的背景：\n这份文件之所以重要，是因为它记录了郭文贵（Debtor）曾经对这三份债权提出过异议（Objections），但被受托人 Luc Despins 强行通过动议（Motion to Compel）给压下去了。法官最终判决：郭文贵作为债务人，目前无权干预受托人对这些债权的初步认定。 这也是你之前提到的“债务人只有被宰割的份”在程序上的具体体现。\n有兴趣且有pacer的，可以去看看拱卒和朱莉娅的几千万债权证明是用什么做的？","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfed013d5cb041fd0deb9"}}