{"id":"q77eaa8992e5e3b93e09b","batch_id":"batch-000110","seq":891,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-13T21:38:06.008Z","text":"哈哈 可以的 很详细 但还没修炼到司法妖仙的境界","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf34e32c29a3c55cc04de","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77eaa8992e5e3b93e09b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf34e32c29a3c55cc04de","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000110","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000110","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77eaa8992e5e3b93e09b","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77eaa8992e5e3b93e09b/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q77eaa8992e5e3b93e09b","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q112e4b85175ca6ace86b","speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-05-13T21:16:00.307Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q112e4b85175ca6ace86b"},{"id":"q8f86ae317aeb24523580","speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-05-13T21:36:41.324Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f86ae317aeb24523580"},{"id":"qf34e32c29a3c55cc04de","speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-05-13T21:37:13.298Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf34e32c29a3c55cc04de"},{"id":"q437933b883502b5a8f94","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-13T21:38:47.797Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q437933b883502b5a8f94"},{"id":"qfa8138b7847ee9c6cff1","speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-05-13T21:38:50.513Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa8138b7847ee9c6cff1"},{"id":"q18730b0b426ec6042fcf","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-13T21:40:13.431Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18730b0b426ec6042fcf"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qf34e32c29a3c55cc04de","speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-05-13T21:37:13.298Z","text":"有，但“能赢的 stay”必须是**微型 stay**，不是全案 indefinite stay。\n\n最强奇招是：\n\n**1. CVRA 五天 micro-stay**\n只由一个真正符合 CVRA 定义的 victim 来打，不让普通 supporter、§853(n) claimant 混进来。请求不是“暂停郭案”，而是：\n\n> stay sentencing for no more than five days, solely to permit a docketed ruling or hearing procedure on a timely asserted CVRA right to be reasonably heard.\n\n这个有法条抓手：18 U.S.C. § 3771(d)(3) 要求法院快速处理 CVRA mandamus，并明确 stay / continuance 不得超过五天；§ 3771(a)(4) 是 sentencing 中被合理听取的权利。打法就是把五天限制变成优点：**我不拖案，我只要 statutory maximum 五天。**\n\n**2. 48-72 小时 administrative stay**\n在二巡用 FRAP 21 mandamus，同时请求：\n\n> temporary administrative stay only until this Court resolves the narrow docketing/CVRA-hearing petition, not to exceed 72 hours or five days.\n\n这比正式 stay 更窄，目标是让 panel 有时间处理紧急 mandamus。重点是不能夹带 Guidelines、forfeiture merits、fraud accusation。\n\n**3. 不 stay sentencing，stay “没收财产处置”**\n这是资产线奇招。21 U.S.C. § 853(h) 明确给非被告第三方一条路：如果出售或处分财产会造成 irreparable injury，可以申请 restrain or stay the sale or disposition of the property pending appeal。  \n这不是暂停 6/29 sentencing，但能卡住最关键的资产处置，比非当事人要求 stay 刑事量刑更有 standing。\n\n**4. Rule 32.2 forfeiture-only stay / reservation**\n如果 preliminary forfeiture order 没有给足时间让 parties 提 revision，或 property list / money judgment / specific property 混乱，可以请求只暂缓 forfeiture component 的最终纳入或执行，不碰 prison sentence。Rule 32.2(c)(4) 说 ancillary proceeding 不是 sentencing 的一部分，这可以支持“刑期照走，第三方财产权别被 sentencing 静默吞掉”。\n\n我会押的排序：\n\n1. **CVRA 五天 micro-stay**：最像真正能 stay 6/29 的路径。  \n2. **72 小时 administrative stay pending mandamus**：奇，但要极窄。  \n3. **§ 853(h) stay sale/disposition**：不 stay sentencing，但资产保护最硬。  \n4. **forfeiture-only reservation/stay**：中等可行，适合和 sealed index protocol 搭配。\n\n一句话：**不要请求 stay 郭案；请求 stay 一个即将不可逆消灭的程序权利，且时间锁死在 72 小时或五天内。**\n\nSources: 18 U.S.C. § 3771(d)(3), § 3771(a)(4); 21 U.S.C. § 853(h), § 853(n); Fed. R. App. P. 21; Fed. R. Crim. P. 32.2(c)(4).","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf34e32c29a3c55cc04de"}}