{"id":"q77fb0e42b64b68332034","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":877,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T03:32:06.099Z","text":"MOS代表自身公司，汇给maywind是455万，这是MOS农场的所有权，maywind已经返还\n同时MOS代理其他汇给maywind其他农场的farm loan投资，诉讼魏，这部分有400w，但G service和 Aeon，退给了MOS公司一共813w\n长岛一共收到 1268w\n问题是，455+400 这都是farm loan投资，在刑事案已经被定罪\n这部分钱，第一，有没有算进farm loan涉案金额？第二，有没有算入个人金钱判决？第三，有和解与资金返还，意思就是上述三个公司，承认收到了farm laon资金，并没有汇入aca capital，那么这部分损失，应该谁担责？\n［用户 roy***］","text_en":null,"edited":true,"reply_to":"q3004fd6279f5d42eb747","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77fb0e42b64b68332034","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3004fd6279f5d42eb747","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162/pages/5","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162/pages/5","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77fb0e42b64b68332034","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77fb0e42b64b68332034/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q77fb0e42b64b68332034","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q6e82bc95fa069284692a","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-09T03:28:19.218Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6e82bc95fa069284692a"},{"id":"q2696adfeabb5f652cd33","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-09T03:30:36.730Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2696adfeabb5f652cd33"},{"id":"q0fb3c0e19a0f39d51999","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-10-09T03:32:03.229Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0fb3c0e19a0f39d51999"},{"id":"q425883fd81954cdacae8","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-10-09T03:33:11.208Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q425883fd81954cdacae8"},{"id":"q78feed780239739c0a70","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-09T03:34:43.009Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q78feed780239739c0a70"},{"id":"qdf20e28b9883baaba904","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-09T03:38:13.263Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf20e28b9883baaba904"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q3004fd6279f5d42eb747","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-10-09T03:18:38.195Z","text":"**对，你指出的这点有明确原文支持。我前面把“代投资人追款”作为分析主线，不够准确，应当纠正。**\n\n亚利桑那案 **Dkt.157，第11页脚注13**，法官明确写道：\n\n> “Plaintiff may not recover for other unidentified investors, it may only recover for itself.”\n\n意思是：**原告不能为其他身份不明的投资人追偿，只能为自身追偿。** 这里的原告是 **Mountains of Spices LLC（MOS）**，“自身”指MOS公司，不能直接等同于夏其东个人。[法院裁定原文](https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCOURTS-azd-2_21-cv-01497/pdf/USCOURTS-azd-2_21-cv-01497-21.pdf#page=11)\n\n同一脚注还有两个重要细节：\n\n- MOS称其在其他法院追讨“成员”的资金；法官指出，MOS此前为证明管辖权称自己只有一个成员，因此这些“成员”是谁并不清楚。\n- MOS只证明向Maywind转了 **455万美元**，却在其他法院收回超过800万美元，法官明确质疑是否已经重复受偿。法院最终认定本案判决已经清偿，禁止未经许可继续追收。[同一裁定，第11、13页](https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCOURTS-azd-2_21-cv-01497/pdf/USCOURTS-azd-2_21-cv-01497-21.pdf#page=11)\n\n**所以，准确的问题应当改成：MOS在本案以自己的损失索赔，在其他程序又以什么权利依据取得超出455万美元的回收款？**\n\n这比笼统说“夏代表投资人拿回钱却不分配”更符合现有裁定。但这份裁定也没有认定全部回收款属于夏个人，或裁定其他法院的回收违法；那仍要查另外两案的请求和付款依据。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3004fd6279f5d42eb747"}}