{"id":"q79c3843e4843e55f5b5c","batch_id":"batch-000150","seq":132,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-22T08:25:30.806Z","text":"对，你这个问题抓到了大陆投资者最难的一点。我前面说“第四层官方司法确认”如果理解成“每个大陆投资人都必须先拿到中国法院或美国法院一张纸，证明某一笔人民币最终到了美国哪个账户”，那要求过高，很多人根本做不到。\n\n大陆这批人的真实结构往往是：\n\n投资人付人民币给中间人/换汇人\n→ 换汇人或另一个代汇账户汇美元\n→ 按农场/联盟给出的指令进入美国或境外账户\n→ 投资人本人没有SWIFT、不是国际汇款人\n→ 后来联盟又不告诉投资人最终收款账户\n→ 检方掌握银行追踪结果，却未必逐个告诉受害人。\n\n所以这类人真正应该走的是**“反向追踪（reverse tracing）”**，而不是要求投资者自己完成政府才能完成的那一段。\n\n第一件事：大陆投资人先证明“我确实交了这笔钱，而且是为了这个项目”\n\n这个部分投资人自己完成。\n\n比如：\n\n人民币付款记录 + Discord/微信聊天 + 农场分配通知 + Loan编号 + G Club账号 + GTV股票证书 + H-Coin账户 + 利息通知 + 后来联盟要求填写的重建表格。\n\n这些材料组合起来证明的不是：\n\n“这10万元人民币最后进入了Bank of America尾号XXXX账户。”\n\n而是：\n\n“我确实支付了相当于USD X的资金，并且收款体系随后承认这是我的GTV/Farm/G Club投资。”\n\n这已经是第一条完整证据链。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79c3843e4843e55f5b5c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000150","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000150","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79c3843e4843e55f5b5c","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79c3843e4843e55f5b5c/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q79c3843e4843e55f5b5c","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q011e9489915ddbe79578","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-22T08:16:04.254Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q011e9489915ddbe79578"},{"id":"q6d16078b85f3de69db0e","speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-08-22T08:19:07.795Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d16078b85f3de69db0e"},{"id":"q80b35a5d512674716d09","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-22T08:20:58.300Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q80b35a5d512674716d09"},{"id":"q03271814a05afce47051","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-22T08:26:33.857Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03271814a05afce47051"},{"id":"qb516090f1e797171fb75","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-22T08:28:20.136Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb516090f1e797171fb75"},{"id":"q18dec2f4fda5966e91d5","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-22T08:29:05.742Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18dec2f4fda5966e91d5"}],"parent_message":null}