{"id":"q7e14dcb3104568ac1389","batch_id":"batch-000151","seq":26,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-24T22:02:51.489Z","text":"最重要的发现是：政府自己在833里明确承认，225份 victim impact statements 被它实际拿来支持量刑，而且逐份引用其中的内容。 但与此同时，848里关于“联盟组织remission → Ryan Finkel → 政府victim体系”的指控，目前仍然主要是第三方申请人的指控，需要继续核验其附件证据，不能直接当法院已经认定的事实。\n\n先看833：受害者陈述确实进入了量刑论证\n\n政府在833专门设了 “IV. VICTIM STATEMENTS” 一节，而且把来源拆得非常清楚：\n\n2024/11/22：约126份（Dkt.477）\n2024/12/11：7份（Dkt.482）\n2025/1/2–1/3：16份（Dkts.486、487）\n2026/4/7：再提交74份（Dkt.832）\n\n合计政府称约 225份 victim impact statements，而且明确说这些材料已经提供给法院，还要把全部纸质副本送到法官 chambers。 833.pdf\n\n更重要的是，政府不是把225份材料“放在那里不用”。\n\n在要求法院判处至少30年的部分，政府专门以“Guo Caused Immense Pain and Suffering to Thousands of Victims”为论点，然后直接引用这些statement。例如833引用Dkt.832的 Statement 158、200、152，以及Dkt.477的1、11、113、42、27、37等statement，描述失去住房、退休金、家庭破裂和精神伤害。 833.pdf\n\n后面政府甚至明确写：\n\n“Hundreds of additional victim statements corroborate that trial testimony.”\n\n所以我们前面说“victim statements可能影响量刑”，现在已经不需要用“可能”了。\n\n在这个案件里，它们事实上被政府作为量刑材料使用了。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e14dcb3104568ac1389","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000151","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000151","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e14dcb3104568ac1389","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e14dcb3104568ac1389/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q7e14dcb3104568ac1389","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q9d47c83adf302f5b2d3a","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-24T21:50:16.576Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d47c83adf302f5b2d3a"},{"id":"q5072e19cc9904a3acee2","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-24T21:58:39.499Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5072e19cc9904a3acee2"},{"id":"qe918ca120bd08069eed6","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-24T21:59:42.652Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe918ca120bd08069eed6"},{"id":"qd21354fbec1afa3ce2f9","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-24T22:12:12.063Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd21354fbec1afa3ce2f9"},{"id":"qf33d581f6b74d8498235","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-24T22:14:18.070Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf33d581f6b74d8498235"},{"id":"q6f3017d3e9b0cec30567","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-24T23:31:32.242Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f3017d3e9b0cec30567"}],"parent_message":null}