{"id":"q7e788f95c8aa0312fec3","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":73,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-30T02:21:43.727Z","text":"估计是这样，GTV在王案，仍然属于涉案企业，王挪用GTV投资款，wire fraud，她担责\n但随着郭案量刑结束，郭对GTV的涉案，不担责，金钱判决也没有\n那么郭案，王案的，最终没收清单，就需要更改了\n郭案里，肯定不能有GTV相关的\n王案里，之前有预没收GTV4.1亿，但最终没收令，很可能也要没，因为郭案的陪审团认定，已经开始有公平基金退款，受害者不存在金钱loss\n也就是说，王继续有罪担责，但是GTV不能没收了","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"q961a35de07eb1e540deb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e788f95c8aa0312fec3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q961a35de07eb1e540deb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e788f95c8aa0312fec3","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e788f95c8aa0312fec3/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q7e788f95c8aa0312fec3","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q3803e879430e85b54f5e","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-30T02:04:54.601Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3803e879430e85b54f5e"},{"id":"q347ae27957ebe68b3314","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-30T02:05:33.841Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q347ae27957ebe68b3314"},{"id":"q961929ae0dd464eb8272","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-30T02:07:56.522Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q961929ae0dd464eb8272"},{"id":"q450a43b33389da00f3de","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-30T02:26:58.938Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q450a43b33389da00f3de"},{"id":"qfdafd8b573c282426f62","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-30T02:27:21.730Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfdafd8b573c282426f62"},{"id":"qed215d2179eab6b1d45c","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-30T02:28:37.950Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qed215d2179eab6b1d45c"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q961a35de07eb1e540deb","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-30T01:38:30.007Z","text":"2 王案里，检方要初步没收14亿，包括GTV，但是经过郭案的陪审团论证后，王案的最终没收，可能也要改（现在还难产）\n也就是说，王那边，可以签字同意检方没收GTV，但是经过郭案论证，这块儿是干净\n3 GTV报案的受害者，理由是钱有损失，然后经过陪审团认定，钱在退款中，所以不算loss，GTV无罪\n但是委托给张的这部分，没有拿到退款，这些投资者，依然是这个案子的受害者，因为有loss","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q961a35de07eb1e540deb"}}