{"id":"q84429424ef823ae58c96","batch_id":"batch-000005","seq":413,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-05-28T20:07:03.253Z","text":"是先定罪，才有受害者；还是先有受害者，才定罪","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1de014d45c0b4142d21e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q84429424ef823ae58c96","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1de014d45c0b4142d21e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000005","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000005","notice":"清洗后的社区讨论原话，按时间分批归档，固定首次采集版本，不随原作者后续编辑或删除更新，不含附件内容。含不同观点、推测与未经核实的主张，不代表本站结论或法院认定。导读仅供定位，请阅读完整发言及回复上下文，并结合一手文书核验。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q84429424ef823ae58c96","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q84429424ef823ae58c96/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q84429424ef823ae58c96","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q34f51609d68ac8d1388a","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-05-28T19:55:38.576Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34f51609d68ac8d1388a"},{"id":"q31c74e7a7936b5e70ab2","speaker":"nig***","date":"2025-05-28T19:57:08.793Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q31c74e7a7936b5e70ab2"},{"id":"q1de014d45c0b4142d21e","speaker":"nig***","date":"2025-05-28T19:58:30.620Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1de014d45c0b4142d21e"},{"id":"qba13c9700dad28f7e590","speaker":"nig***","date":"2025-05-28T20:08:12.434Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qba13c9700dad28f7e590"},{"id":"qc7f07ee39e43fae923d6","speaker":"nig***","date":"2025-05-28T20:12:40.933Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc7f07ee39e43fae923d6"},{"id":"q664c165822f1817c4617","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-05-28T20:15:15.413Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q664c165822f1817c4617"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q1de014d45c0b4142d21e","speaker":"nig***","date":"2025-05-28T19:58:30.620Z","text":"我并不太清楚美国法律对于受害者得认证标准，但是目前按照郭文贵先生已经被认定有罪，那么投资者就可以认定为受害者了，这就是我得常识逻辑","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1de014d45c0b4142d21e"}}