{"id":"q8567b11d57e8c7aab042","batch_id":"batch-000150","seq":136,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-22T08:29:46.887Z","text":"所以大陆投资者真正缺的不是“每个人找出境外银行账户”\n\n真正应该做的是建立三张表：\n\n投资人表：\n谁、投多少钱、什么项目、哪个账号/Loan号。\n\n中转表：\n人民币给谁、日期、金额、哪一批、哪个换汇人或代汇组织。\n\n境外匹配表：\n哪一批对应哪个美元wire、哪个收款账户、哪个Farm/G Club实体。\n\n前两张大陆投资人自己可能可以重建。\n\n第三张很可能只有Government、Luc和当时收款组织掌握。\n\n所以大陆投资者未来真正应该要求的，不只是：\n\n“请退我的钱。”\n\n而应该加一个非常具体的要求：\n\n“Produce or use the investor-to-wire reconciliation records necessary to identify the disposition of intermediary-funded mainland investor payments.”\n\n也就是：\n\n把“大陆投资人—黄牛/中转—美元wire—最终收款账户”的匹配账拿出来。\n\n如果政府已经在刑事案做了几十TB discovery、银行账户追踪，而Trustee又声称追踪了成百上千笔转账，那么让每个大陆投资人重新证明政府手里已经存在的后半段资金链，确实是一个非常值得挑战的问题。\n\n因此，这批大陆投资者不是天然“没凭证就完了”。恰恰相反，他们更适合做群体性的payment-methodology证据：先证明这种中转模式是系统性的，再要求掌握银行记录的一方完成最终matching。\n\n这会比每个人单独去找五年前的黄牛有用得多。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8567b11d57e8c7aab042","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000150","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000150","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8567b11d57e8c7aab042","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8567b11d57e8c7aab042/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q8567b11d57e8c7aab042","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q03271814a05afce47051","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-22T08:26:33.857Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03271814a05afce47051"},{"id":"qb516090f1e797171fb75","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-22T08:28:20.136Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb516090f1e797171fb75"},{"id":"q18dec2f4fda5966e91d5","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-22T08:29:05.742Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18dec2f4fda5966e91d5"},{"id":"q0aabe7f0ea5a80e24f30","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-22T08:29:55.168Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0aabe7f0ea5a80e24f30"},{"id":"qfd9fe5feb12b6942de6b","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-22T09:02:31.791Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd9fe5feb12b6942de6b"},{"id":"q0251a5c4fdf270ea0a41","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-22T09:04:35.431Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0251a5c4fdf270ea0a41"}],"parent_message":null}