{"id":"q8729fa6375a01e76580c","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":86,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-27T02:42:36.678Z","text":"luc在这里面，估计给了假证据\n当时还没有王案没收，检方对于Mahwah，也没有处置权\n被个人破产案luc拿走，说明luc给的证据，应该是支持产权是郭家族所有","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"qfc062dc44defa805854d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8729fa6375a01e76580c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc062dc44defa805854d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8729fa6375a01e76580c","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8729fa6375a01e76580c/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q8729fa6375a01e76580c","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qacadc57999402b3245e4","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-27T02:35:17.852Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qacadc57999402b3245e4"},{"id":"q2bc6ea260302b86c8ca1","speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-27T02:35:45.265Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2bc6ea260302b86c8ca1"},{"id":"q0105c22c31ee3fbf13c8","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-27T02:41:18.684Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0105c22c31ee3fbf13c8"},{"id":"q0828a3d6556e5c5d236e","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-27T02:44:14.511Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0828a3d6556e5c5d236e"},{"id":"q10debecdcfefa1c9a777","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-27T02:47:13.574Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q10debecdcfefa1c9a777"},{"id":"qf3e9e8d6e6076a57162d","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-27T02:47:32.521Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3e9e8d6e6076a57162d"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qfc062dc44defa805854d","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-27T02:30:42.725Z","text":"那个mahwah ，我看到的记录，被告律师只是在主张不是郭所有，似乎并没有反驳起诉书里说是用投资者的钱买的。我在想，政府在这个地方是否也是虚假陈述，那个庄园可能正如夏启动所说，是郭的家族基金的钱买的，登记在那个什么公司之下，然后实际上是准备给郭的战友们用的，当然夏其东应该是真的认为那是投资者钱买的然后要给美国政府递刀子才这么说。如果那个庄园是郭的家族基金买的，那更是坐实美国政府恶意起诉。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc062dc44defa805854d"}}