{"id":"q8ab078df9aa44c7278f9","batch_id":"batch-000148","seq":109,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-20T05:31:31.544Z","text":"有可能形成“fraud on the court（司法欺诈）”的调查方向，但仅凭“产权未明确 + 检方和Luc提前和解”这两个事实，还不能直接下结论说已经构成司法欺诈。 二巡对这个概念的门槛非常高：不是普通程序错误、证据争议甚至一般的不披露就够了，而通常要证明法院工作人员/律师实施了足以严重破坏法院正常、中立裁判机制的欺骗行为。\n\n不过，Mahwah这条线确实有几个异常点值得连起来查。\n\n第一，Mahwah在刑事案一开始就不是普通资产。2023年的刑事记录显示，郭一方明确主张Mahwah及其内部物品是刑事案件中的重要证据；与此同时，政府与Trustee签署Mahwah Settlement，允许Trustee在刑事案件仍然pending期间取得控制和/或出售Mahwah，政府承诺不反对。政府还把FBI搜索Mahwah时拍摄的照片提供给了Trustee。\n\n第二，当时产权并没有最终裁定。Luc在2023年7月才启动adversary proceeding，请求法院判定郭是Mahwah及Taurus Fund的beneficial/equitable owner，并认定Taurus是郭的alter ego。直到2025年7月7日，破产法院才在summary judgment阶段正式支持Trustee的这些产权主张。也就是说，2023年政府与Luc达成安排时，“Mahwah属于郭/estate”仍然属于正在诉讼中的命题，而不是已经司法确定的事实。\n\n第三，这一点尤其值得注意：Mahwah Settlement本身似乎发生在“产权最终裁判”和“最终刑事forfeiture裁判”两者之前。最终刑事forfeiture决定直到2026年6月29日才作出，而法院那时才正式认定Listed Property符合没收条件并确定$889 million money judgment。\n\n所以时间线实际上是：","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"q602469a3e5bbb2b741d1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ab078df9aa44c7278f9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q602469a3e5bbb2b741d1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000148","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000148","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ab078df9aa44c7278f9","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ab078df9aa44c7278f9/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q8ab078df9aa44c7278f9","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q602469a3e5bbb2b741d1","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-20T05:29:56.100Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q602469a3e5bbb2b741d1"},{"id":"q940a91e859d816a7888e","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-20T05:30:11.267Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q940a91e859d816a7888e"},{"id":"qe92b453b6cb5221eb03d","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-20T05:30:29.799Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe92b453b6cb5221eb03d"},{"id":"qf5f9797011ae457878cd","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-20T05:31:32.297Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf5f9797011ae457878cd"},{"id":"q82dc21629644b970edeb","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-20T05:31:51.820Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q82dc21629644b970edeb"},{"id":"q4d8917c7a22dbfbc0d60","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-20T05:32:03.102Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d8917c7a22dbfbc0d60"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q602469a3e5bbb2b741d1","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-20T05:29:56.100Z","text":"Mahwah原本属于刑事案的重要证据，在没有明确其产权归属的前提下，被刑事案检方与破产案提前和解处理，是否涉及司法欺诈","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q602469a3e5bbb2b741d1"}}