{"id":"q8b038684ab7649417822","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":474,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-20T10:02:30.683Z","text":"那个替代自我就是起这个作用。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"qa46e34bbb167af645239","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b038684ab7649417822","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa46e34bbb167af645239","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137/pages/3","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137/pages/3","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b038684ab7649417822","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b038684ab7649417822/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q8b038684ab7649417822","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qa46e34bbb167af645239","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-20T09:57:49.244Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa46e34bbb167af645239"},{"id":"q5a6673061fbf7f8b2508","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-20T09:59:14.620Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5a6673061fbf7f8b2508"},{"id":"qc80c8109f8242e9c172e","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-20T10:01:49.944Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc80c8109f8242e9c172e"},{"id":"q85bf43f98c085e2b3278","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-20T10:02:45.829Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85bf43f98c085e2b3278"},{"id":"q7eac25672aef039e25c1","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-20T10:03:21.181Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7eac25672aef039e25c1"},{"id":"q715c2dd0015571434c71","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-20T10:03:46.909Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q715c2dd0015571434c71"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qa46e34bbb167af645239","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-20T09:57:49.244Z","text":"可以。因为没收逻辑是：确定的损失即是已经成为实质上的郭的个人财产的犯罪所得，luc可以主张这些钱与郭的其它个人财产混同，所以它也可以主张债权。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa46e34bbb167af645239"}}