{"id":"q8d6e7cc5dc54a6c9760f","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":471,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-15T23:30:38.990Z","text":"这个地方，就是它们在表演独立证明郭对g系列实际拥有并控制。既然不可采，在庭审中，就不应该允许，破产案中的追回欺诈转移，用g系列资产支付破产调查费用这些违法手段制造出来的法律事实呈现给陪审团，托雷斯在庭审中的表现与它在审前的主动隔离破产案是矛盾的。更重要的是，同样是审前，在保释问题上，它就完全采信了破产案制造的结果：郭在破产案一直在系统性的妨碍破产程序。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"q98422c1a46377e3484f0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d6e7cc5dc54a6c9760f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q98422c1a46377e3484f0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119/pages/3","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119/pages/3","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d6e7cc5dc54a6c9760f","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d6e7cc5dc54a6c9760f/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q8d6e7cc5dc54a6c9760f","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qe864e4aa3e365965d6ef","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T23:29:24.939Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe864e4aa3e365965d6ef"},{"id":"qbe249665d3fc7ee29e2a","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T23:29:53.426Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe249665d3fc7ee29e2a"},{"id":"qd14b2a5d1e97051fc277","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T23:30:13.045Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd14b2a5d1e97051fc277"},{"id":"q1070edc8def5877c40c6","speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-15T23:30:54.362Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1070edc8def5877c40c6"},{"id":"q08a2b531a54fa6fc9a7e","speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-15T23:32:04.196Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q08a2b531a54fa6fc9a7e"},{"id":"q18a390a79e6d7dba869f","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T23:34:07.935Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18a390a79e6d7dba869f"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q98422c1a46377e3484f0","speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-15T23:14:52.374Z","text":"刑事法院主动隔离了luc传导， Doc 311 fn8:Torres 法官当庭裁定破产法院的认定在刑案「not dispositive」、受托人提 alter ego adversary 这件事若拿来证明为真就是不可采传闻。这不是「碰巧没依赖」,是「规则上不许进」。\n\n法官具体说了两句:\n\n破产法院的认定在刑案里「not dispositive」(不算定论,因为刑案标准更高);\n「受托人提了 alter ego 诉讼」这个事实,若拿来证明它是真的,就是不可采的传闻。\n\n刑事法院主动隔离了luc传导， Doc 311 fn8:Torres 法官当庭裁定破产法院的认定在刑案「not dispositive」、受托人提 alter ego adversary 这件事若拿来证明为真就是不可采传闻。这不是「碰巧没依赖」,是「规则上不许进」。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q98422c1a46377e3484f0"}}