{"id":"q901a6d6adab707c63b64","batch_id":"batch-000153","seq":181,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-27T11:59:23.353Z","text":"第三块就是你说的 813.6万美元。\n\n2024年法院确认：\n\n* G-Service退给MOS：3,508,872美元\n* Aeon退给MOS：4,630,416.58美元\n* 合计：8,136,288.58美元\n\n而且法院说得很清楚，这些钱就是从Maywind出去的钱又被退回MOS，因此必须考虑Sara的判决是不是已经被满足，不能再重复拿。\n\n所以这里出现一个非常尖锐的金额对照：\n\nMOS自己直接转Maywind：约 460万\n\nMOS后来实际从G-Service/Aeon拿回：约 813.6万\n\n也就是说，MOS实际追回的金额明显超过它自己名义上直接汇出的460万。\n\n但是这并不自动等于“多出来的350万就是诈骗所得”。因为MOS起诉时还主张它代表/承接了其他个人贷款人的权利，而且法院记录显示另外六名个人曾直接向Maywind汇了约540万。\n\n所以真正关键的问题变成：\n\nMOS凭什么取得那部分超过自己460万本金的追回款？\n\n如果有有效的债权转让协议，那么它可能法律上有资格追。\n\n而我们现在已经看到确实存在这类 Assignment and Assumption Agreement（债权转让协议）。有投资人的文件明确把其Phoenix/Maywind贷款的全部“权利、所有权和利益”转给Mountains of Spices LLC，夏启东以MOS总裁身份签字。\n\n因此，“拿了超过自己本金的钱”本身还不能证明欺诈。\n\n真正可能构成严重问题的是下面这个组合：\n\n投资人把债权转给MOS，是为了让MOS代为追钱；\n\nMOS利用这些转让，以自己名义取得法院追回款；\n\n但追回以后，真实底层投资人没有收到属于他们的部分；\n\n同时MOS又拒绝或回避向法院完整说明到底代表哪些投资人、各自多少钱。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q901a6d6adab707c63b64","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000153","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000153","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q901a6d6adab707c63b64","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q901a6d6adab707c63b64/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q901a6d6adab707c63b64","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q1dc7256aca99d3655e02","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-27T11:58:17.169Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1dc7256aca99d3655e02"},{"id":"q82f2e1cb925ad483a69e","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-27T11:58:25.499Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q82f2e1cb925ad483a69e"},{"id":"q54498011523293feed8b","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-27T11:59:04.189Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54498011523293feed8b"},{"id":"qaa2f2e8864d41e03a9c8","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-27T11:59:23.506Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa2f2e8864d41e03a9c8"},{"id":"q033a4fccf70fec27624e","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-27T11:59:48.991Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q033a4fccf70fec27624e"},{"id":"q31a70d122679073eec92","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-27T12:08:18.722Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q31a70d122679073eec92"}],"parent_message":null}