{"id":"q9670737f690c1416432a","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":903,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-10-09T04:26:49.987Z","text":"政府的主张是：投资款和会员费的流入即郭的可没收权益，托雷斯在858里予以确认，而mos和maywind里的农场借贷资金，理所当然已经被政府主张了没收并被法院确认，但没收清单里没有。所以已经不存在是否被划入了没收，而是对已经包含在对郭的个人没收和金钱判决的涉案资金，政府为何长时间的不冻结，不追缴，要么就是政府任性的选择性执法？要么涵盖在了不起诉协议里。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"q74c6430932961d167ec4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9670737f690c1416432a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74c6430932961d167ec4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162/pages/5","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162/pages/5","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9670737f690c1416432a","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9670737f690c1416432a/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q9670737f690c1416432a","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q93e5f915b88838c62f81","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T04:08:31.388Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q93e5f915b88838c62f81"},{"id":"qe3708883119f29139109","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T04:09:29.937Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3708883119f29139109"},{"id":"q277113a66592a8fc1cdc","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T04:17:45.392Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q277113a66592a8fc1cdc"},{"id":"qa1dd4e54b7748ecb7a10","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T04:28:33.661Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1dd4e54b7748ecb7a10"},{"id":"qd27ac0fdfc3b55c4a583","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T04:32:05.490Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd27ac0fdfc3b55c4a583"},{"id":"q41b580326f682be11c10","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T04:59:23.169Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q41b580326f682be11c10"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q74c6430932961d167ec4","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-10-09T03:58:39.132Z","text":"**不是“一切未知”，而是已有事实与关键缺口要分开。** 我前面的回答没有把这一点讲得足够集中。\n\n已经确定：MOS收回约813.6万美元；亚利桑那法院据此认定455万美元判决已清偿，并质疑超额回收依据。郭也已因Farm Loan相关罪名被定罪。\n\n截图中“即使转给长岛，这笔钱也要收缴”则仍是**有条件的结论**：必须证明这笔具体财产符合没收条件，并处理第三方权利。不能只凭它与Farm Loan有关就断定必然没收。\n\n**真正尚未查清的是：这813.6万美元是否被纳入郭的刑事金额计算、检方是否对它主张没收，以及若未追缴，依据是什么。**\n\n“目前没收清单没有”也需要核对具体清单及附件。即使确实未列入，它能证明的是**未在该清单中列明**，不能单独证明资金合法、政府放弃追缴，或存在保护交易。\n\n因此，这条质疑可以明确提出：**同笔资金若被计入郭的犯罪所得，却在MOS处未被追缴，两种处理是否有一致的事实和法律依据？** 这不是空泛的未知；它已经指向需要核对的具体文件。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74c6430932961d167ec4"}}