{"id":"q9759fdaccbc6cde6eb4f","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":450,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-07T23:37:58.515Z","text":"不能用刑事案的裁决结果自动作为民事物权效力的证据，必须独立证明。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"qcb7a196fa3d4c035a325","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9759fdaccbc6cde6eb4f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb7a196fa3d4c035a325","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099/pages/3","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099/pages/3","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9759fdaccbc6cde6eb4f","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9759fdaccbc6cde6eb4f/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q9759fdaccbc6cde6eb4f","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qcc5e2ff4b597853e6d7c","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-07T23:37:27.349Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcc5e2ff4b597853e6d7c"},{"id":"q97359b73c2f9fce40bed","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-07T23:37:37.727Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q97359b73c2f9fce40bed"},{"id":"qca860183fff88b6a696c","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-07T23:37:57.550Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca860183fff88b6a696c"},{"id":"qe430361440ebe20b7fd3","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-07T23:38:13.363Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe430361440ebe20b7fd3"},{"id":"q9b84a80820fe3e25ded8","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-07T23:38:15.755Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b84a80820fe3e25ded8"},{"id":"qbd7f55a0816a861be9e6","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-07T23:38:28.496Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbd7f55a0816a861be9e6"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qcb7a196fa3d4c035a325","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-07T23:35:55.562Z","text":"律师不知道Himalaya(也就是洗脚所）已经在刑事案被Rico了吗？3700万就是等于是郭的啊","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb7a196fa3d4c035a325"}}