{"id":"q99786ca305e4046c35b1","batch_id":"batch-000151","seq":187,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T08:56:07.149Z","text":"对，money judgment的GTV部分已经被剔除；specific-property forfeiture并没有因此按“账户名称/历史资金来源”逐项同步删除。\n\n而且你说“量刑后又增加了几个账户”也是对的。2026年6月30日，Torres又签了Supplemental Preliminary Order of Forfeiture，加入Additional Specific Property。 那份命令明确说，这些新增财产被政府主张为Counts 1、2、4、7–11的proceeds，和/或Count 3 money laundering涉及的property。它还明确提到，Count 3部分在一定范围内与Yvette Wang存在joint and several liability。\n\n但是这里要纠正Qodty后半段的一个推理：\n\n不能仅凭“Wang先plead guilty”，就说政府因此把所有GTV资金继续认定为fraud proceeds，所以总涉案资金仍然是14亿。\n\n目前858的正文恰恰不是这么写的。\n\nTorres在858里明确接受：\n\n$411m GTV Private Placement不进入郭的$889m money judgment。\n\n所以至少对于郭个人money judgment的计算，不能再说“因为Wang认罪，所以GTV仍算进去，故还是原1.3/1.4b”。\n\n真正复杂的是specific property。\n\n这里Yvette Wang的plea确实可能有作用，特别是money laundering property。6月30日的Supplemental POF写得很明确：新增财产可以是Count 3涉及的property，而且对那部分郭与Wang可在Wang的forfeiture judgment范围内承担joint and several liability。\n\n因此，更准确的法律结构是：\n\nGuo money judgment：约$889m，GTV的$411m已经剔除。\n\nSpecific property：不按889m的项目拆分机械删账户；只要政府能证明某个账户/资产属于郭有罪Counts的proceeds或Count 3 laundering property，它仍可能被没收。\n\nWang plea/forfeiture：可能为部分money-laundering property提供独立或共同的没收基础，但不能反过来把郭已经从money judgment剔除的整块GTV $411m重新算成郭的$1.3b。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99786ca305e4046c35b1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000151","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000151","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99786ca305e4046c35b1","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99786ca305e4046c35b1/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q99786ca305e4046c35b1","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qe340cd84028ee241e79b","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-25T08:51:42.956Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe340cd84028ee241e79b"},{"id":"q56b3e00fca9bd04da3c0","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-25T08:54:53.529Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56b3e00fca9bd04da3c0"},{"id":"q752d6ea35ff7e89456d2","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T08:55:45.644Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q752d6ea35ff7e89456d2"},{"id":"qa3d9cc40b304cf27b8a7","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T08:56:25.915Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3d9cc40b304cf27b8a7"},{"id":"qcfe797ec678742d8b61b","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:01:31.960Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcfe797ec678742d8b61b"},{"id":"q558560fc75095135b9ad","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-25T09:02:04.472Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q558560fc75095135b9ad"}],"parent_message":null}