{"id":"q9affedd5987442f8e2f9","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":987,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-29T13:29:51.294Z","text":"目的是改叙事\n/把 盖尔6000人remission“受害者”的逻辑改过来 变成“资产拥有者(投资者)”\n/因为这部分人是“投资”早于crime 所以有“资产所有权 ” (钱是我的 不是郭的 政府凭什么没收forfeiture )\n只是因为一页被误导的减免remission填表 被代理律师盖尔做成853i“受害者” (投资明细 盖尔那里有 但是不在法庭上）\n/辩方把所谓“受害者”的“资产所有权”证明材料 放到法庭上 法官和政府(检方) 不能继续装瞎 说资产是郭的吧？\n/同样道理 只要认定一例 也就顺势可以怀疑 盖尔代理的6000人 身份错认 要变成“资产拥有者”\n/当 “受害者”转换成第三方“资产拥有者” 他们联系辩方律师 天经地义 是完整证据链 而且不存在污染\n/这样叙事就变了 联盟农场 不是帮郭洗钱 而是偷这6000“资产拥有者”的钱","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe35f639ef7dc1f995023","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9affedd5987442f8e2f9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe35f639ef7dc1f995023","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9affedd5987442f8e2f9","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9affedd5987442f8e2f9/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q9affedd5987442f8e2f9","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q19a47e441038720f048c","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-29T09:59:30.392Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q19a47e441038720f048c"},{"id":"q173d179b625e2cb9c7e6","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-29T10:01:16.648Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q173d179b625e2cb9c7e6"},{"id":"qd17289d7aff6328d3ef3","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-29T13:04:42.788Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd17289d7aff6328d3ef3"},{"id":"q0b916b65932dfb2efe22","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-29T13:56:20.546Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b916b65932dfb2efe22"},{"id":"qecacc0242dfd436ce581","speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-01-29T14:07:53.448Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qecacc0242dfd436ce581"},{"id":"qa954160ea53bbabba7da","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-29T14:16:36.183Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa954160ea53bbabba7da"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qe35f639ef7dc1f995023","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-29T09:59:02.304Z","text":"应该可以，反正都走到这一步了，这些人的证据都已经废了，想想怎么变废为宝","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe35f639ef7dc1f995023"}}