{"id":"q9dafe3d287845614a351","batch_id":"batch-000096","seq":496,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-03-30T05:46:04.421Z","text":"我不知道托雷斯的债权人是不是luc的债权人一个东西","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"q74ad1889dbb6781bdd90","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9dafe3d287845614a351","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74ad1889dbb6781bdd90","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000096/pages/3","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000096/pages/3","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9dafe3d287845614a351","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9dafe3d287845614a351/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q9dafe3d287845614a351","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qc0280f723e946a22b6c6","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-03-30T05:45:23.815Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0280f723e946a22b6c6"},{"id":"q675f4b6f90e9127d0353","speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-03-30T05:45:30.134Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q675f4b6f90e9127d0353"},{"id":"q8123b251e1df7674cb62","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-03-30T05:45:32.227Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8123b251e1df7674cb62"},{"id":"q311c8440cf5933ad7b28","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-03-30T05:46:12.708Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q311c8440cf5933ad7b28"},{"id":"qbe7e4b44b71de5338357","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-03-30T05:46:23.090Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe7e4b44b71de5338357"},{"id":"q523c630582cd9e5afa40","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-03-30T05:46:40.551Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q523c630582cd9e5afa40"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q74ad1889dbb6781bdd90","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-03-30T05:45:19.459Z","text":"这个地方，可以用托雷斯在状态会议上说投资者可能被当作普通债权人，这虽然不是命令，但这也代表法官的态度，准备不经听证强行把投资者认定为普通债权人，并且检方后来也明确表明，本案没有853n，没必要举行853n听证。如果不批准强制令，投资者被强行定义为普通债权人，考虑到luc的司法欺诈和对本案资产的挥霍，这会给投资者带来不可逆的巨大损失，甚至会出现投资者财产被虚假债权瓜分的极端司法腐败。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74ad1889dbb6781bdd90"}}